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4 edits |  Clever - fight the copyright infringers using P2P
While certainly not new - fighting the P2P infringers with their own products is fighting fire with fire. A determined poisoning effort can make grabbing copies of favored shows tedious to accomplish and can drive off the less determined thieves.
»radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/···ent.htmlIt's also very effective--to test this, I randomly selected a healthy torrent for the 2nd episode of Rome, and after hundreds of failed chunks the download stalled at around 30%.
Naturally the downloaders are fighting back. Systems like Peer Guardian let you manage blacklists of bogus peers. It will also autodetect new bogus peers.
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insomniac84
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Schererville, IN | Doesn't the client check the data?
I thought if a client consistently sends bad data your client bans it. |
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Syan48306
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Well thats a way to fight against the torrenting. lol Instead of suing ppl/tracker sites for downloading they get on the network and try to thwart the whole network. I wonder what they'll think of next. lol 
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Chiyo
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BWolf6
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Marathon, ON | reply to insomniac84
Re: Doesn't the client check the data?
yea most BT clients check for bad data
and after so many times it bans the client who
is doing it. |
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G_Poobah
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| I for one, see the downfall of HBO on the horizon
**AA execs really are that stupid. If they are sending garbage data, then they can't say someone is infringing on the copyright of their show! There's no show being transmitted.
In any case, they can't poison private torrents. They use mediasentry and similar goons, but only the public torrents (which noone uses anymore) are ever attacked (i.e. piratebay, mininova, etc).
If HBO sees such a demand for it, why don't they just let people download it, and pay a small fee (i.e. 1-2.00 per episode). I mean, HBO is 10.00/month, NO COMMERCIALS, etc. What do they have to loose? This is the perfect opportunity for them to step up to the plate, but the idiots at the top can't see the forest for the trees, and instead of adapting to the future, they desperately hang onto the past. Just because you made money in the past, doesn't mean you get to make money today. Just because you got a 'law' passed, doesn't mean it's a just law, and that anyone will obey it. The more they tighten their grip, the more they loose control.
I for one, would celebrate the downfall of our fascists leaders and the corporate goons who hold their leashes. Bankrupt them all I say, and deport them to canada! Make them trade in the christian dior suits for some plaid socks and a baby seal club. So what if HBO goes broke, someone else will rise to take their place, someone with a clue. Remember, the **AA's shouted 'wolf' when the VCR was released, and now they make FAR more money from DVD's/VHS than they EVER made from the theaters.
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shrtckt1
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Athens, GA | So it's okay for them to deface a network?
Possibly they will catch a lawsuit for thwarting or defacing a network. It can't be any worse than the RIAA's ideas. |
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ViniTheHat
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it'll eventually come out on DVD where you can rent it from netflix and rip it yourself...
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HappyBunny
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Long Beach, CA | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Clever - fight the copyright infringers using P2P
This happened to me when I tried to download Season 6 of Oz. I will buy it when it comes out, but its NOT out, and I am impatient to see it! |
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Bitey
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join:2002-06-14 | I though of this back in the Napster days
But I'm not a big stupid dinosaur like
the people who run the entertainment industry. |
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC
| nothing new
Modern BitTorrent clients have had features to block this kind of attack for quite awhile now. The problem for most is they do not use these newer clients. Azureus has these features.
Though I must admit this could severely diminish the performance of a torrent it will not stop the distribution. |
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Must_Use_Name
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good for HBO. They should defend their property. Hopefully they'll figure how to do it.
If anyone wants to see Rome it's available on demand. There's really no excuse to download the shows for free other than wanting something for nothing |
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nixen
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Re: nothing new
said by jazzy_  :Modern BitTorrent clients have had features to block this kind of attack for quite awhile now. The problem for most is they do not use these newer clients. Azureus has these features. Assuming that they are sending good data just that the data doesn't match what the view is expecting, how does the client detect that?
-tom
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markopoleo
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Re: good
Mmm you got it backwards. Bad for HBO, if they want to make money they could SELL the shows online instead of trying to mess them up. Does not matter, there is lots of Rome episodes anyways they can poison a few if they want..
Cable providers need to wake up and smell the real world. The reason most people download shows online is because its so easy, I bet you if they provided option to download the shows you want for a small fee (im talking per show not the whole network) they would make millions.
Lets see Must_Use_Name..would you pay whatever price HBO is a month just to watch ONE thing you like? Heck no! No one would because you know your getting jipped.
Its simple networks, offer shows online for a one time download fee, 50 cents or so, a commerical free episode, to download online, your still making more without commercials because its available to everyone regardless if they have cable or not with you. People would pay that price instead of downloading it free off BT simply because its the real deal, simple as that.
I would of gladly payed money for all the episodes of Lost, ER, House, etc if they offered it online. But you don't offer the service. |
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sherman10570
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Re: I for one, see the downfall of HBO on the hori
While I don't disagree with your idea, HBO is in somewhat of a bind. I'm sure they would love to do what you're suggesting, but it would kill the rest of their business.
They sign deals with carriers (Cable, Satellite, etc) to be the exclusive providers of their content. If they offer the content to just anyone, then they are competing with themselves. HBO's own advertising says call your cable or satellite provider to subscribe (note that it's a subscription service).
The last thing you want to do is piss off, let's say, Comcast. Comcast now has to pay for the bandwidth over their own cable modem network to the same customers that used to pay them directly for HBO? I don't think so...
(As an aside, many of the cableco's now offer the additional HBO channels through digital cable. It's a great way for them to push the new technology on analog customers. The quicker they can cut analog service, the quicker they can offer more HDTV and faster internet service. DOCSIS 1.1 in a purely digital plant can offer individual customers FIOS-like upload speeds...)
I'll give HBO some credit for attempting a cheaper solution than a bunch of lawyers - but as many people have said, most of the current bittorrent clients auto-ban users that send bad data.
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Neil
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join:2003-08-20
New York, NY | reply to nixen
Re: nothing new
Just guessing, MD5sums? |
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pulp39
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Re: Clever - fight the copyright infringers using
Help me out here fellahs. Taking a cursory look at the newsgroups, I can find Rome in 4 different ones. EVERYTHING is in Usenet. Why the fawk are they bothering with P2P when everything can be had in the newsgroups anyways?!
Secondly, how come the RIAA, etc... aren't shutting down News Servers for offering exactly what they are trying to shut down in P2P?
I just don't get it...
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Jehu
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Re: I though of this back in the Napster days
Different for music and movies/shows.. the data is much larger for video, so wasting huge chunks of time downloading the wrong video is much more aggravating than having to cycle through a few mp3s
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nixen
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Alexandria, VA | reply to Neil
Re: nothing new
Which, if they act as the full source for a given torrent, will compute correctly and not show an error.
-tom |
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ssj4android
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join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | reply to Must_Use_Name
Re: good
"If anyone wants to see Rome it's available on demand."
And what about those of us who have HBO but don't have On Demand? *kicks Comcast* |
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