ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC | Couldn't care less.....
I have no sympathy for these Spammers.
Throw them all in jail and throw away the key.
There's enough junk on the Internet already. |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23
| throwaway Soloway
"Though it's unlikely he'll see much of the money . . ."
Whatever happened to the concept of if you don't pay up you go to jail?
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs:   | Thats only if your not an incorporate entity or a high level company executive....
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One
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said by Shamayim  :"Though it's unlikely he'll see much of the money . . ." Whatever happened to the concept of if you don't pay up you go to jail? If that were the case, every single Enron exec would be behind bars right now. [Insert your favorite prison cliche here]
While it's great that this guy is getting the smackdown of justice, I don't think this going to slow spam down that much.  I definitely won't shed any tears seeing Soloway and his ilk cough up a lot of their ill-gotten dough.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
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Laws don't apply to corporations in this country. Even if the 'corporation' is convicted of a crime, there's no loss of liberty associated with the crime, so why should they care about the law? Corporations can't be jailed, can't get the death penalty, can't loose liberties, but they are given almost all the rights of a citizen. That's the root cause of the problem with corporations in this country.
Corporations should have NO rights relative to an individual. Executives and shareholders and employees of corporations should suffer punishments worse than citizens if they are convicted of any crime. The loss of money is NOT EQUAL to the loss of liberty. That's a problem.
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA | reply to Shamayim
quote:
Whatever happened to the concept of if you don't pay up you go to jail?
It's not the 1700's.
How are you supposed to repay the debt from jail where you are not working? |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
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said by G_Poobah :Laws don't apply to corporations in this country. Even if the 'corporation' is convicted of a crime, there's no loss of liberty associated with the crime, so why should they care about the law? Corporations can't be jailed, can't get the death penalty, can't loose liberties, but they are given almost all the rights of a citizen. That's the root cause of the problem with corporations in this country. Apparently you haven't read the Sarbaines-Oxley act of '03 (or maybe it was '02). Corporate misdeeds now equal jailtime for CEO. |
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killtheSCUMBAG
@12.173.x.x | Take everything he has and then...
...castrate him with a branding iron !!! Oh, and then hang him HIGH !!! |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
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Re: throwaway Soloway
Ever hear of Arthur Anderson? You should ask those folks if laws applies to them. Loss of Liberty? Ask Dennis Kozloski,Mark Swartz or Ebbers how they like that liberty from jail cell they are in. Ken Lay next up for a 6 x 8 cell.
Try getting a corporate conviction in China. |
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KCB_PDX
World Gone Wild
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join:2003-07-09
Portland, OR
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Here is a perfect example of how it is done. How can justice be served when criminals are given deals like this?
»www.wweek.com/story.php?story=5176
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mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS
 ·Sunflower Broadband
·Comcast
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said by itguy05 :It's not the 1700's. How are you supposed to repay the debt from jail where you are not working? You can get paid a couple dollars a day in jail for doing things like cooking and laundry. It may take the rest of his life to pay off the debt, but that doesn't really bother me. |
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WyoNative
join:2005-01-31
Enfield, CT | reply to JSRoman
What jail cell?? Though sentenced, AFAIK, they are appealing their convictions and it's anyones guess when/if they will ever see a jail cell... |
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bent
not broken
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join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
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·Comcast Formerly ..
| Fit the crime?
Not to defend spamers in any way, but:
1. He did not receive a "$10M settlement." He received a "default judgement" which means that this thing has never been tried in a court of law, only that the defendant didn't show up. Two entirely different things.
2. The "corporate veil" is becoming increasingly penetrable. Often, principals of a corporation can be held liable for the debts of the corporation. The new BK laws are also contributing to this.
While spam is bad, it really is not much more than an annoyance, and I think that a $10M judgement is way out of line, and that OK law is a piece of toilet paper that should have never seen the light of day. Come on... $50K/day for an annoyance? I'd think that the OK legislature would have better things to do with it's time. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home | reply to mlundin
Re: throwaway Soloway
In some states the money you make doing work in prison is used to pay for your "rent" and food when you get out.
So you don't get any of that money. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
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Re: Fit the crime?
said by bent :While spam is bad, it really is not much more than an annoyance . . .
Oh? It's MUCH more than an annoyance:
quote:
The cost of spam in terms of lost productivity has reached $21.58 billion annually, according to the 2004 National Technology Readiness Survey.
Messaging market-research firm Ferris Research expects to reveal similar, if slightly lower, figures soon. Analyst Richi Jennings projects the cost of spam in 2005 will come to $17 billion in the United States and $50 billion worldwide.
»www.informationweek.com/story/sh···59300834
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xpkranger
RIP Georgia Theater
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join:2000-10-27
Atlanta, GA
clubs: | reply to Shamayim
Re: throwaway Soloway
This is a civil case, not a criminal case as I understand it even though I didn't RTFA. You don't go to jail when you lose a civil case. Just ask O.J. Simpson.
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Kills me. Sadly, this guy will again, start some other sham (if not already). Or has others doing his bidding. Do ISP sales/marketing reps care who they host?
What is worse are that ISPs are actually using spammers for income. And big ISPs. Why? well, there are tiers for bandwidth. Let's say that somehow, all spam was stopped. Spam accounts for as high as 60% of bandwidth on the net at times (email spam alone is 80% of email traffic). Well, ISPs pay a rate based on the amount of traffic. Low traffic means higher costs. Prorated. And if the spam isn't viral (trojan, worm...), its really harmless...to the ISP (well, not to the sysadmin or postmail...but he/she is their tool so..).
I just went through hell with an account at XO communications. Without much detail, (and since they are #5 on the spam ISP list) we were hosted by them. Then blocked by Comcast (ha!) due to a range of IPs being blacklisted (ours in that block) because a spammer uses their hosting. And still does. So comforting to know.
Anyone recommend a reliable ISP and voice services company? |
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bent
not broken
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join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
clubs:
·Comcast Formerly ..
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Re: Fit the crime?
Gotta love how they massage their numbers, and then give you the basis to refute them in the next paragraph. Hell, the numbers don't even add up in the first place. 169.4M people * 3 minutes / 60 minutes an hr * 5 days a week = 42.35M hours a week, not 22.9 like claimed. You can make statistics say anything you want them to say. If spam is such a big deal, and causes so much lost productivity, then it should be incumbent on corporate America to control their networks, and not allow the spam in in the first place.
The annual survey, conducted by Center for Excellence in Service at the University of Maryland's Robert H. Smith School of Business and Rockbridge Associates, a technology research firm, reveals that Internet users in the United States spend an average of three minutes deleting spam each day they use E-mail. Multiplied across 169.4 million online adults in the United States, this comes to 22.9 million hours a week, or $21.58 billion based on an average wage.
"The business community needs to realize that a lot of its money is going down the drain," says Roland Rust, director of the Center for Excellence in Service. "This is a problem that concerns everyone."
The survey indicates that 78% of online adults receive spam daily and 11% receive at least 40 such messages.
I wonder how many productive hours are lost to drinking coffee? The truth is that if you get spam, it's because you asked for it. I get no spam what so ever. If that's due to Comcasts spam filter, or the fact that I don't give my true e-mail address out at all, I don't know, but if you are getting it, it's because you asked for it in one way or another.
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UnnamedSysadmin
| "The truth is that if you get spam, it's because you asked for it."
This is an invalid and naïve comment. I can't begin to describe the number of E-mails that our servers reject because spammers are using random name generators trying to get a hit. When a new employee starts, it only takes a few days for SPAM to show up, even when they haven't used or know about the account yet. |
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
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said by bent :The truth is that if you get spam, it's because you asked for it. Spoken like a true spammer. |
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