kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Fools!
The sad truth is that the only thing stopping law enforcement officials from investigating crime is their own incompetence when it comes to technology...not the lack of overzealous anti-privacy laws.
The FBI is too busy going after people who make porn to realize that a technological revolution has just passed them by. So now they spend MY tax money to invade my privacy as I am presumed guilty until proven innocent.
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loeakaodas
join:2005-01-31
Sarasota, FL
| Too Far...
They are going too far with this, with the Patriot Act they already can do all they want without notifying anyone; why would they need a law to do what they have been already doing.
This raises serious privacy concerns, if we still have privacy that is... |
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Shamayim
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I suppose the reason for further eroding the US Constitution is the usual 'to catch terrorists and pedophiles.' Nevermind our southern border is still left wide open to terrorists, drug smugglers and other illegals waltzing in here through Mexico. No, wiretap broadband users--that's the answer!
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datanetdude
join:2005-08-13
San Antonio, TX | Screw Them, Do On To Them As They Do On To Us!
Has anyone heard of DiveCrypt, 1344 bit encryption let the bastards work on that fo awhile to keep them busy, hehe! As for as VoIp good ole Phil should come through for us  |
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woody7
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cmslick3
join:2004-05-24
Joliet, IL
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| It's time for another revolution!
They are going this far because one day the (ANTI-)patriot act will expire and as an act it can not be turned into law. BUT if they modify the laws to allow all the same things as the (ANTI-)patriot act while no one is really looking the government will have all the power they could imagine. Oh and the process for repealing laws takes a heck of a lot longer than ending an act of congress.
Welcome to the United States of Government. If you think for one second that things like this will never be used against "american" citizens you are dead wrong. They will hype it as being able to keep track of internal threats, but you better damn well believe that 48% of us are "threats" right now!
We have become a nation of yes men and we've forgotten our question everything heritage! Lets remember the real patriots who questioned and fought against the unfair government of the colonies, do you think they would be sitting idley by right now??
Round and round and round she goes, will it ever stop? Hell no!
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Maggs
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join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
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Re: Screw Them, Do On To Them As They Do On To Us!
What about the keylogger they put on your computer to capture your encryption password. If you think you can mess with the US Govt you are mistaken my friend. The mere fact that you a normal citizen encyrpt your email is reasonable enough for the FBI to think you are doing something illegal. All the FBI has to do is mention your an "enemy combatant, and goodbye to your civil liberties. No lawyers either, remember Jose Padilla, he's in jail for 3+ years charged with NOTHING. |
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diehardspeed
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join:2003-05-14
Salt Lake City, UT
| If your not encrypting your VoIP calls.
Sure it won't be a big deal for them to monitor VoIP calls. But any important calls are going to be encrypted, through a private VPN tunnel. Possibly more than once making it almost imposable to decipher.
Another stupid law that is pointless and will cost us more $$$. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Wiretapping VOIP makes sense & is legal
»www.linuxelectrons.com/article.p···55918944
Responding to a petition from the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Drug Enforcement Agency, the FCC Commission determined that providers of certain broadband and interconnected voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services must be prepared to accommodate law enforcement wiretaps, the Federal Communications Commission ruled yesterday.
The Commission found that these services can essentially replace conventional telecommunications services currently subject to wiretap rules, including circuit-switched voice service and dial-up Internet access. As replacements, the new services are covered by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA, which requires the Commission to preserve the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct court-ordered wiretaps in the face of technological change.
The Order is limited to facilities-based broadband Internet access service providers and VoIP providers that offer services permitting users to receive calls from, and place calls to, the public switched telephone network. These VoIP providers are called interconnected VoIP providers. CALEA contains a provision that authorizes the Commission to deem an entity a telecommunications carrier if the Commission “finds that such service is a replacement for a substantial portion of the local telephone exchange.”
The Order strikes an appropriate balance between fostering competitive broadband and advanced services deployment and technological innovation on one hand, and meeting the needs of the law enforcement community on the other. The above is a less heated more reasoned response to this FCC order than that from some quarters.
And all these wiretaps are dependent on obtaining court orders 1st. All the worry over a run-amok government are bogus. This is nothing but an extension to VOIP services of the authority to tap packet switched phone service.
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Shamayim
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| said by TKJunkMail  :» www.linuxelectrons.com/article.p···55918944And all these wiretaps are dependent on obtaining court orders 1st.
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PILMAN
join:2002-11-23
Fort Walton Beach, FL
| isn't it harder to tap?
Wouldn't it be a bit harder to tape VOIP to say a standard line? Sure I could see it being easier if they knew your provider and someone reported your number but lets say you were under investigation. How would FBI or whatsoever know your using say stanaphone or vonage. Would the fact your under investigation provide them to carry out wiretaps on a normal line (even though not in use) and intercept packets and check the headers to see they are going to a VOIP provider? Can officials actually decrypt those packets into voice or would they have to do it from the providers end? I figured those packets would be very hard to decrypt until they reached the terminating end like vonage or stanaphone. |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
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| reply to loeakaodas
Re: Too Far...
The simple answer is because they want the VoIP providers to do the leg work and deliver them the calls on a platter, instead of agents having to hack into systems or plant bugs or packet sniffers (more complex than with TDM).
You should not be overly concerned directly with CALEA, the rules are still pretty strict. Besides none of us are doing anything illegal, right? 
The main concern is that CALEA requirements will slow down VoIP growth, might kill smaller providers, and at the end of the day the consumer will pay through the nose for the increased network complexity and regulation compliance. |
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diehardspeed
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join:2003-05-14
Salt Lake City, UT
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Re: isn't it harder to tap?
How secure do you think a Vonage call is?
Do they use any security at all?
All they would need to do is capture packets on your VoIP port, run it through the voice codec and poof they can hear everything your saying.
What I am saying is what is the point! Any person who is talking on a hard wired line or VoIP phone line or unencrypted communication over the net for that matter should not be worried about people listening in on their calls because they do. They read your email, they will listen to your calls too!
Simple solution... Cryptic VoIP through a secure VPN tunnel. This is how the real bad guys are going to be able to use VoIP as much as they want and they will get away with it too because to be able to wiretap that.... it's gonna cost way too much money and require more cooperation than the "providers (ISP's and VoIP services)" would be able to give. Hell who needs a provider! You can do direct PC to PC calls without any "server/provider". Lets see them listen in on that!
Waste of taxpayers dollars is all it is! |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| reply to Shamayim
Re: Wiretapping VOIP makes sense & is legal
said by Shamayim :said by TKJunkMail :» www.linuxelectrons.com/article.p···55918944And all these wiretaps are dependent on obtaining court orders 1st.
You think that's an impediment? Three-letter agencies can obtain court orders from compliant judges at the drop of a hat. You think they're ever turned down? Get real. And that has changed how from getting the same court order for a regular landline how? |
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Maarvin
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join:2005-04-11
Denver, CO
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| reply to diehardspeed
Re: If your not encrypting your VoIP calls.
This is no surprise. As soon as the Feds began to talk about regulation and promotion, etc. It was only a matter of time before the Spooks announced that they're into the system. They have already been tapping into the internet including VoIP for some time now under the guise of "Home Security". They claim to be looking for terrorists that are using the internet to plan our demise. The law gives them the right to do whatever they please. There is no such thing as privacy and security, and there hasn't been any for quite some time now, never to return. |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Wiretapping VOIP makes sense & is legal
Court order? What country are you living in?
Under the patriot act, they don't need a court order. Period.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by G_Poobah :Court order? What country are you living in? Under the patriot act, they don't need a court order. Period. You are WRONG. The Patriot Act requires a court order. It is just that the court doesn't release or make available to the press the details or existence of the warrants. That is so that the press doesn't tip off the person being investigated.
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
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| Gimmee a break
What a bunch of whiners!
First off, they would not allow any technology into our hands that they couldn't tap in the first place.
Second, just what are you doing to be worried about? Guilty of selling pot on the phone? Child pron? Discussing insider SEC trading on a VoIP line?
Lastly, I think that if your spouse was using the VoIP for illegal use, you'd be the first to ask why the FBI isn't able to get a tap on it and record for the divorce courts.
I think we should be more concerned with the government trying to allow oil companies "gratis" to ease environmental laws with new refineries. Or how I'm supposed to conserve gas, but the SUV driver that is 0-60 at every stoplight while yappin on the cellphone is less important a waste.Why aren't automakers being held accountable?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Maarvin
Re: If your not encrypting your VoIP calls.
said by Maarvin :There is no such thing as privacy and security, and there hasn't been any for quite some time now, never to return. Bingo! If anyone honestly thinks they have any privacy on the internet, then I'd suggest you rethink the technology. Based on the simple fundamentals of how the internet works, it's impossible to have total privacy.
On the other point, if people really think the government gives two sh!ts about what porn page (kiddie porn excluded) or hacker site you visit, then put your tinfoil hats back on and go back into the darkness of your basement. The government has many, many other more important things to worry about. Remember Carnivore? Everyone freaked out when the FBI announced the technology and look what happened...or didn't. Either way, if you're a typical, halfway upstanding citizen, then don't worry, enjoy your life. There is no conspiracy, and nobody is after you. |
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voiplover
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join:2004-05-28
Portsmouth, NH | reply to cableties
Re: Gimmee a break
As a voip user....'Who cares????'
If they listen to everyone then my conversations certainly aren't going to interest them. |
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