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Hmmm.. an "Internet coding system".... sounds fairly interesting! I wonder if it just a packet shaping technology that looks for BitTorrent packets  |
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A coding system huh. Looks like Verizon is rolling over and turning over names and IPs to Disney! Goodluck Verizon P2P users!! |
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Unless disney starts making software I use I'm fine :-P.
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Verizon is just following the law. If people don't like the law then they should get their congressman to change it. As far as the "Internet coding system", it sounds like they may have a way of embedding markers in the transmitted video content so that if a customer subsequently records and then UPLOADS that content it would be an automatic proof of copyright infringement.
If markers can be embedded in content, then ISP hardware could look for those markers on any data flowing from a customers IP address providing proof of illegal uploading. And even if it never turns into a civil lawsuit, Verizon could terminate repeat abusers internet access.
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Well that put a nail in the coffin for FIOS TV as far as I am concerned. It was already 2 strikes bottom of the ninth 2 outs bases loaded, STRIKE 3 GAME OVER.
Wasn't that interested in the video, but with DRM included PASS!
Disney channels aren't even watched on DBS now, but DRM in any form is bad.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Fight back on this DRM crap or pretty soon your not going to be able to have FF and REW on your remotes! Look at Tivo's new fees, and submitting to the Macrovision/DVD gestapo. Theres a reason all those asian made DVD players have "leaked" firmware thats region free and CSS free etc.. And why one particularly large mass producer of DVD's wants to drop support for it. In this case this decision is based on profits more than the anti DRM stance as the license fee seriously impacts on the bottom line of the players.
We won round one of the battle on the broadcast flag, but the NAB/xxAA gang is trying the back door and winning!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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| Internet coding system?
Internet coding system? Try ip address. I like how they jazz it up to make it seem like Disney is implementing some kind of crazy technology to track so called copyright infringers down. As far as their deal goes it basically says the same thing will happen that always happens. Copyright holder sees an ip grabbing their stuff illegally. So they take the suspect ip to the ISP who owns it and asks for information and that the person be notified. Information isn't given without a subpoena, but the person is notified by email. Maybe all this means that if you steal Disney stuff you will get a more jazzier email? |
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Who the hell even downloads Disney stuff here?
I don't spend my day downloading episodes of That's So Raven for fun. |
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| said by tiamold8  :Who the hell even downloads Disney stuff here? I don't spend my day downloading episodes of That's So Raven for fun. How about some athletic event on ESPN(owned by Disney) or a new ABC comedy series?
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I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. |
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| said by Steve B :I can live with DRM....IF....it doesn't go as far as to block me from recording my everyday shows so I can watch later in case I wasn't able to watch it when it was actually on TV. I used to record movies to VHS and keep them in my collection. However, it that has to stop I can actually live with it as I have not done that type of recording in years. I just want to be able to watch an episode of Stargate that I recorder because I missed it earlier. If the DRM gestapos start infringing on our ability to record regular shows for later viewing and taking out our ability to pass up commercials, that is where I will start having a serious issue with all this. I agree.
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| said by brooklynman4 :How about if someone records it in tivo and send it over the net ?? If he sends it to himself for his own viewing, a good case can be made that that is legal. For example, you record a show to watch later. You then go to your vacation house at the shore. You pull it off your primary residence computer and copy it to your vacation house computer and watch it there.
But if you record a show and send it to a friend in another city, you are breaking the law.
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Re: Internet coding system?
said by insomniac84 :Internet coding system? Try ip address. I like how they jazz it up to make it seem like Disney is implementing some kind of crazy technology to track so called copyright infringers down. As far as their deal goes it basically says the same thing will happen that always happens. Copyright holder sees an ip grabbing their stuff illegally. So they take the suspect ip to the ISP who owns it and asks for information and that the person be notified. Information isn't given without a subpoena, but the person is notified by email. Maybe all this means that if you steal Disney stuff you will get a more jazzier email? Perhaps it means that Verizon will actively detect copyright infringement by their customers. For Disney and ESPN content, at least.
Perhaps it also means that Verizon will actively co-operate with Disney if there are any copyright infringement complaints against their customers. |
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| Fear mongering by Disney
Did anyone even bother to read the thread, or think for 5 seconds what this is an attempt to do? "Disney will contact Verizon when the company suspects a Verizon customer of illegally downloading content"
The operative word here is 'suspect'. There is no 'proof' in suspect, and if you've been reading about the RIAA lawsuits, you'd realize the last thing the **AA's want is to go to court. The ONLY think that verizon is doing is caving into Disney (home of the 200+ year copyrights), when they legally cannot. This is just a run around manuver by Disney, to avoid having to file a subpeona. All they want to do is complain via one of their media-sentry or 'web wanna be sheriff' goons, and get someone cut off, without ever providing proof.
It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. Where's the proof Disney? Where's the proof that I downloaded Song of the South? Prove it..
They can't, and they know it. They are desperate to avoid being put in the same boat as the RIAA, but they can't get away from it. There's no such thing as a 'tagged bit'. That's been tried for years by cisco. I actually worked with that project, and it was a total failure. Just rarring the files defeated it, and it slowed down the network to the point of unusability. It can't be done with encryption, period. So all the new P2P's are just going to add encryption, and disney is right back where they started.
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| said by G_Poobah :It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. The main problem with this reasoning is that if you are sued in a civil court in the USA, you are presumed guilty regardless of the validity of the plaintiff's claim. You don't enjoy any of the constitutional protections guaranteed for criminal trials either.
Even if the plaintiff has no proof, you must convince the judge you are not guilty, which often involves significant legal costs. It is for this reason many defendants in such suits settle.
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| said by pnh102 :said by G_Poobah :It's the proof that kills them. In this country, you needed to PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal), but at least with a preponderance of evidence (civil) that there has been a violation. The main problem with this reasoning is that if you are sued in a civil court in the USA, you are presumed guilty regardless of the validity of the plaintiff's claim. You don't enjoy any of the constitutional protections guaranteed for criminal trials either. Even if the plaintiff has no proof, you must convince the judge you are not guilty, which often involves significant legal costs. It is for this reason many defendants in such suits settle. WHich is ridiculous, shows perfectly how utterly nonense our legal system has become. |
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| Disney is not the "Happiest Place On Earth"
As a sometime employee of Disney(Television) and Disney Imaginering I can tell you that this heavy handed treatment is to expected from them,I am surprised that their lawyers have not sent you a cease and desist letter for the image that accompanies this news story(I am not kidding )
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Re: Fear mongering by Disney
said by kamm :WHich is ridiculous, shows perfectly how utterly nonense our legal system has become. It's been like that since 1789! I am guessing the Founding Fathers never anticipated that the civil court system would be abused the way it is now. What is needed is a constitutional amendment which would extend the protections guaranteed to criminal court defendants to civil court defendants. A provision allowing for "loser pays" would also help very much with this situation.
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Unbundle!
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Re: Disney is not the "Happiest Place On Earth"
Not to mention being total and complete hypocrites.
Disney uses others' IP (Intellectual Property) without
permission all the time.
And they happen to be one of the Big 7, part of the MPAA,
one of the most corrupt and venal organizations on the
planet.
So I say to them, **** off and die, Disney. We don't need your
DRM infected crap, anyway.
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