darthur2000
join:2002-01-02
Middletown, CT
clubs: | Lovely
With my current distance, VDSL2 will offer less bandwidth for everything then Comc*** does just for my internet. Gee, that's really going to get me interested in switching. Good job SBC! |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | no vdsl here
urban areas ironically stick everyone in one big building in the middle of nowhere so nobody is that close... |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA | Right on
I'll bet the ILECs hope they don't have to share or this technology will never get off the ground. |
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LoneGreyWolf
Premium
join:2002-09-09
Bath, NY
clubs:
| Something else I will probably never see...
As the subject says. Yet another technology rural people like me will never see. I have a bright idea... how about the equipment that they replace with fiber and what not be used as again to give rural people a chance at broadband? It's not like they have to buy expensive equipment all over agin since they are only re-using what they already have. |
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mishaq
Premium
join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
clubs:
| VDSL...
Another potential problem that DSL has a lot is the inside wiring of the household. Many homes we live in were built in the 50's, and the wiring wasn't done to modern specs, and has had time to degrade over 50 years since it's simply 2 strands of thin copper. So even if you're 1000 feet from the central office or a RT doesn't exactly mean one will get the exact promised speeds. 24/26 gauge copper is 100 year old technology, Verizon's got the right Idea, I hope SBC and Bellsouth (or perhaps just SBC when they buy bellsouth  ) get hit in the head and see the light, of fiber!
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Damn you FCC! |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
Premium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to hoyleysox
Re: Right on
Take a step back and look at near past.
SBC's Project "Pronto" was supposed to deploy lots of Remote Terminals. It stopped when they were told they had to share the RTs with CLECs.
SBC's Project Lightspeed is basically a restart of Pronto after legislation passed saying ILECs didn't need to share RTs with CLECs. Besides that, even if they did have to share, there are so few CLECs in most markets today that they probably aren't as worried about CLECs anymore... especially now that they can charge CLECs as much as they want to share the RTs now. |
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lml2000
Whazzup
join:2000-08-17
Los Angeles, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to mishaq
Re: VDSL...
U got it right. Unless the telco is willing to upgrade, or subsidize the customers inside wiring, which as u say, is often 30-50 yrs old & in need of such an upgrade, the telco's push to deliver video & HSD to compete with cable, IMHO, will not go very far. It's an end-to-end solution. So, all the investment in the world that does not go all the way to the customer's gateway (i.e. modem, ONU, router, etc.) will not yield the expected ROI envisioned. I don't believe that telcos today get this.
I'm roughly 6,100 feet from the SBC RT that serves my 'hood, so this VDSL2 means nada unless SBC pushes the fiber to the nearby cross-connect about 600 ft away . . . & even then, their gonna have to make me an offer I can't refuse w/respect to updating all the copper wiring inside my house . . . b/c I know w/o CAT-5 or CAT-6, SBC is just not gonna be able to deliver on their "promise." |
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radougherty
join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| For HD customers this stinks
So I can get 2 HD streams with this new wiz band service, then count me out. With my DirecTV HD Tivo I can be recording two streams just with that one box while watching another HD program with my TV's HD tuner. Think I'll sticking with the service I have now thank you very much SBC, not! |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| VDSL will be enough for internet only
and even then, only for another few years.
It is a VERY narrow fit. So narrow that I am seriously concerned that it will be outdated before it's ever put into place. Is that 25mbps running on the same ATM as their existing DSL services, that carries an 18% overhead? If so there's only around 20mbps of real usable space. They've stated that 9mbps is needed for HDTV. That leaves just 2mbps for internet and other services.
If you want to do TV or otherwise build a modern content delivery platform, get fiber and get it over with. Verizon will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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Evil_Icon
Digital Pimp
join:2003-02-24
Bossier City, LA
·Suddenlink
| 25000/5000 please !
I will be tossing Roadrunner and going Bellsouth if the VDSL2 if offerd in my neighborhood.Well it depends on the price too.
25000/5000 = kickass
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More upload please! |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to djrobx
Re: VDSL will be enough for internet only
said by djrobx  : Verizon will be laughing all the way to the bank. No, they won't. They don't compete with Bellsouth in the ILEC arena.
I agree Bellsouth and SBC need to quit penny pinching and just run FTTH. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to Evil_Icon
Re: 25000/5000 please !
said by Evil_Icon :I will be tossing Roadrunner and going Bellsouth if the VDSL2 if offerd in my neighborhood.Well it depends on the price too. 25000/5000 = kickass 25Mbps - 9Mbps for 1st HD Channel = 16Mbps
16Mbps - 9Mbps for 2nd HD Channel = 5Mbps
Once you factor in various protocol overhead, you'll be lucky to see 4.5Mbps left for the internet.
I honestly don't know WTF Bellsouth is thinking. |
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Bentonville, AR
| What about every body else?
It does absolutely nothing for customers like me who are not on RT's (with no hope of ever being on one either). At my 12k' distance, it won't be any faster.
So we just get left out in the cold I guess.
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Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Possible?
Is it possible for Bellsouth or SBC to provision one VDSL2 circuit for your TV channels and another, completely separate 25Mbps channel (pair?) for your data?
Or would you have to have two pairs running to your house? |
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Phoenix2088
join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
clubs: | No IPTV
IPTV won't work with 25 mbit VDSL, plain and simple. Not enough bandwidth to push all these services through. |
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juilinsandar
Texas Gooner
Premium
join:2000-07-17
San Benito, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to djrobx
Re: VDSL will be enough for internet only
said by djrobx :and even then, only for another few years. It is a VERY narrow fit. So narrow that I am seriously concerned that it will be outdated before it's ever put into place. Is that 25mbps running on the same ATM as their existing DSL services, that carries an 18% overhead? If so there's only around 20mbps of real usable space. They've stated that 9mbps is needed for HDTV. That leaves just 2mbps for internet and other services. If you want to do TV or otherwise build a modern content delivery platform, get fiber and get it over with. Verizon will be laughing all the way to the bank. The sad thing is that Verizon isn't competing directly wth SBC, at least not in my area which is served by Time Warner and SBC. If they were, I'd choose the phat pipe of FTTH rather than the midsized pipe of vdsl2. |
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Phoenix2088
join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
clubs: | reply to Matt
They will deploy FTTH once their failed roll-out of VDSL is complete.  |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to lml2000
Re: VDSL...
All you have to do is replace a single wire to the modem and place a noth filter on the rest from the outside. |
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B777300
join:2002-01-02 | reply to Phoenix2088
Re: No IPTV
IPTV Blows, Clear and simple.
Too much overhead.. (ethernet\ATM.. IP.. and maybe even TCP\UDP)
I like coax.. =]
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Can you say fiber optics? |
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
Premium
join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC | reply to darthur2000
Re: Lovely
man, I sure do wish my remote terminal was within 5,000 feet of me. It is 13,000 feet away and so is the CO....either way I am screwed...  |
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