OSIU
Where is my "change"?
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2 edits | Duh!
Less wires and plugs with an all-in-one? Sounds great to me! I need at least one socket to plug my light in.
Maybe they should make it with a toaster and a fridge built in too!  |
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dibbb
join:2003-09-19
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| said by OSIU  :Maybe they should make it with a toaster and a fridge built in too! My WebStar gets hot enough I bet it could make toast...
But personally, and I may change my mind later, but I like having a separate router, especially for my small-business LAN. I've had my ISP-provider modem fail a few times, and at least with a separate router I can still use the LAN functions. |
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Crow 30
@adelphia.net | To many devices
I already have three devices on my desk (Modem, Router, SR Gizmo)I would love to combine them all into one unit. Although I do like seeing all the blinky lights..hehe |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs: | As long as it's well tested..
and reliable- unlike some of the crap the major manufacturers all too often release upon the masses. You get more points of failure as you add functions and complexity, so they'd really have to get it right before I'd bite. |
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garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY | News Flash! Modem sales drop as DSL modem rise!
This is called the march of progress.
The same guys that sells the DSL modem most likely also makes the combo box. |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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3 edits | Why would they be taking a hit?
They make those devices too. The same makers (eg Westell) to make the DSL modems also are making the DSL all-in-one's.
If it's 'stand alones' taking the hit, so what. That's not news. Black and white TV's took a hit too and it's of no consequence to the industry. People still watched TV and TV makers still made TV's. |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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Fort Worth, TX
1 edit | No "Residential Gateways" for ME!
After the fiasco I had with FIVE 2Wire 1000S Residential Gateways, PLEASE GOD NO!!! 
I'd much rather have a separate modem and a router of MY choice. |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | No Thanks...Really...NO, I DONT WANT IT!
Id rather stay with seperate devices. I like to be able to choose my OWN SPI Firewall and routers and switches and Access points for myself and my clients. |
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b10010011
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
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| The problem with all-in-one devices
The problem with all-in-one devices is they never seem to do all the functions as well as separate devices do.
Like now you can get a crappy cell phone, that's also a crappy camera, crappy PIM, a crappy MP3 player, a crappy text messenger, a crappy walkie-talkie, and a really crappy web browser all in one crappy little package. |
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zoom314
Superman
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Yermo, CA
| reply to TechSponge
Re: No Thanks...Really...NO, I DONT WANT IT!
said by TechSponge :Id rather stay with seperate devices. I like to be able to choose my OWN SPI Firewall and routers and switches and Access points for myself and my clients. Ditto.:D
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cow116
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| reply to b10010011
Re: The problem with all-in-one devices
said by b10010011 :The problem with all-in-one devices is they never seem to do all the functions as well as separate devices do. Like now you can get a crappy cell phone, that's also a crappy camera, crappy PIM, a crappy MP3 player, a crappy text messenger, a crappy walkie-talkie, and a really crappy web browser all in one crappy little package. Does it now come with toilet paper to wipe up some of the crap? |
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dnoyeB
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join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Sounds like a poll question
Im a separates man myself. I don't want the whole schebang going down at the same time. Easier to diagnose and also cheaper to replace sometimes when things can be separated out.
My stuff is generally in my basement so I don't have a clutter issue. Sometimes you cant get separates though and I guess cause some things are so easy to do in software that they are coming almost free.
I have 2 routers both of which do wifi. But I use 1 as a wifi AP and other as a router. So i would be even more separate if I could. I am NOT an all-in-one type of guy. And in the automotive industry this was done purely to reduce manufacturing cost to the direct detriment of service costs. Hope same does not happen in computer industry.
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nixen
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| reply to dibbb
Re: Duh!
said by dibbb :said by OSIU :Maybe they should make it with a toaster and a fridge built in too! My WebStar gets hot enough I bet it could make toast... But personally, and I may change my mind later, but I like having a separate router, especially for my small-business LAN. I've had my ISP-provider modem fail a few times, and at least with a separate router I can still use the LAN functions. Unless you're running a multi-segment network, why would you need a router for LAN traffic??
-tom
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pcscdma
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clubs: | reply to OSIU
If you want a toaster oven, then get a Pentium 4 Prescott computer.
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radarman
join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| reply to nixen
One word - NAT. Do you plan to connect more machines than you have leased IP addresses? If so, you need a LAN with a router.
Alternately, would YOU like control over what machine is assigned a certain IP address? Guess what - you can't, unless you run your own DHCP server - which no ISP is going to want to see. So, you are back to needing a router.
It isn't just multi-segment networks that need routers, (though strictly speaking, most home networks ARE multi-segment), but any network where you need more flexibility and control over your network. |
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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| reply to oliphant
Re: Why would they be taking a hit?
said by oliphant :If it's 'stand alones' taking the hit, so what. That's not news. Black and white TV's took a hit too and it's of no consequence to the industry. People still watched TV and TV makers still made TV's. Closer to the point: TV-VCR/DVD combos haven't really impacted standalone (plasma/WEGA/flatscreen/projection) TV sales.
As a general rule (and a lesson from my parents), I myself buy discrete devices whenever possible. I'd rather have two separate devices break at different times than one device break and kill the functionality of whatever it was combined with. 
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aaron12345
join:2002-12-17
Falls Church, VA
| not that it would ever happen... but!
You know what would be neat. Since most people have multiple computers anyways - when someone gets dsl or cable - the modem just has 4 or 5 ethernet jacks plug and go and would just act as a switch. The nat and dhcp would be performed at the isps boxes in co. I mean for dslr users it would be a nightmare... but for the average joe who just wants web it would probably make configuration even easier! |
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nixen
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Re: Duh!
said by radarman :One word - NAT. Do you plan to connect more machines than you have leased IP addresses? If so, you need a LAN with a router. If the MODEM has failed, what are you NATing??
said by radarman :Alternately, would YOU like control over what machine is assigned a certain IP address? Guess what - you can't, unless you run your own DHCP server - which no ISP is going to want to see. So, you are back to needing a router. And this relates how to the benefits of having a router separate from a MODEM in the event of a MODEM failure? As an aside, DHCP does not require a router.
said by radarman :It isn't just multi-segment networks that need routers, Um... Care to explain that? The sole purpose of a router is to move packets from one segment to another. If you have single-segment network, you don't need a router.
said by radarman :(though strictly speaking, most home networks ARE multi-segment) Really?? Discounting the WAN IP, how can you possibly make this statement?
said by radarman :but any network where you need more flexibility and control over your network. Again, all that a router does is move packets from one network segment to another (and, optionally, doing P/NAT). If you want DHCP services, you don't need a router. If you want firewall services, you don't need a router (given that one can set up a filtering bridge device or use client-side software firewalls). So, how does having avrouter provide you with flexibility and control over a network (that you can't get through other means), particularly a network with a flat/unsegmented topology?
-tom
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cbrock
join:2003-03-12
Union City, CA
| reply to zoom314
Re: No Thanks...Really...NO, I DONT WANT IT!
So to follow your logic, then it would be better if there were even more separation of components...such as separating the 4-port hub from the router as well as the wireless functions:
DSL modem + NAT router + 4-port switching hub + wireless transceiver. That would be four separate boxes.
I was using a SpeedStream 5360 + D-Link DGL-4300 gaming router. Now I use an ActionTec GT704WG all-in-one DSL modem, 4-port NAT router with 802.11G. And you know what? Transit delay (ping) is even lower since I've effectively reduced all IP connections by one hop.
Also the ActionTec has an additional USB 1.1 port for Windows PCs which I use a fifth LAN connection. It has about 9% lower peak throughput compared to the 100mb Ethernet ports (4.8mb/s vs 5.1mb/s), but it is an added convenience. |
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zoom314
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| said by cbrock :So to follow your logic, then it would be better if there were even more separation of components...such as separating the 4-port hub from the router as well as the wireless functions: DSL modem + NAT router + 4-port switching hub + wireless transceiver. That would be four separate boxes. I was using a SpeedStream 5360 + D-Link DGL-4300 gaming router. Now I use an ActionTec GT704WG all-in-one DSL modem, 4-port NAT router with 802.11G. And you know what? Transit delay (ping) is even lower since I've effectively reduced all IP connections by one hop. Also the ActionTec has an additional USB 1.1 port for Windows PCs which I use a fifth LAN connection. It has about 9% lower peak throughput compared to the 100mb Ethernet ports (4.8mb/s vs 5.1mb/s), but it is an added convenience. If You have a router, Then why would You want to duplicate the 4 ports on It with a Hub? I mean unless You have 6 or 7 computers It seems rather silly.
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