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4 edits |  Just more protection of telcos;killing competition
This is just more protection of the telcos de facto monopolies around the country. At least from a logic standpoint, by declaring them an "information service" it will put them on the same legal ground as the cable companies in the data delivery marketplace. But in both cases, it allows geographic monopolies to exist. The only competition still existing is BETWEEN cable companies and telcos. But even that competition may be short lived. The cable companies have been in negotiations with the telcos over coordination of services like cell phones and VOIP deals.
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CPM
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Maybe now we will see faster DSL speeds. |
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| said by CPM  :Maybe now we will see faster DSL speeds. Yea right.
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| UNE-P ?
If this is the death of line sharing, then I guess the clecs will have to go back to providing DSL over UNE-P?
I can imagine this having a significant impact but will it stop the clecs like Covad who were planning to roll out those new dslams for viop?
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Plldwnyrpnts
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| Telcos lay down lines....
...and others reap the benefits. It is unfortunate that it costs too much to lay down the infrastructure or to even get it started. Sharing the lines the someone else paid for sucks but it does help competition. It's a double edged sword.
Cable companies are lucky that they don't have to share. So they get to monopolize the area, but only until Cable company B comes in with it's own lines to bring on competition. A heavy price to pay for a shot in the dark.
Most people will not switch from one company for the other unless the price difference is significant. But how much will it cost company B just to bring in a decent customer base? Lose money to hope to make money.
I don't feel bad for the baby bells having to share their lines, but I understand that it sucks. |
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Re: Well.
said by CPM :Maybe now we will see faster DSL speeds. When there is no competition what is the incentive for Telco to provide service at a reasonable price? They know you are captive so they can ask whatever they please. Oh, if you do not live in upscale neighborhood you can wait much much longer.... |
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Stumbles
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | year right.
Anytime a government agency proclaims one of their decisions will benefit the customers be prepared to pull more money out of your back pocket.
The FCC was bought by corporations a long time ago. |
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Re: Telcos lay down lines....
said by Plldwnyrpnts :...and others reap the benefits. It is unfortunate that it costs too much to lay down the infrastructure or to even get it started. Sharing the lines the someone else paid for sucks but it does help competition. It's a double edged sword. Line sharing does not equal FREE. If Covad or others "share", they still have to pay the telco for the access.
People always seem to think that the telco is being forced to give something away and not get revenue. Not true. |
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| So what happens to CLEC customers?
In my office I currently have Covad, with LBDSL as the ISP. I chose them for several specific reasons, primarily the fact that Qwest uses PPPoA, which is the most useless piece of trash ever put on this earth. Am I going to be stuck with Qwest? Am I going to have to shell out the bucks for a T1 just to get usable service? This is bullshit. I take back what I've said about "their lines, their rules." |
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Re: year right.
said by Stumbles :The FCC was bought by corporations a long time ago. Exactly! This is nothing but 3rd world style gov't corruption at the highest level. |
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Re: Telcos lay down lines....
yes, but telcos built the infrastructure laregely with PUBLIC money, hence the infrastructure should be open to the public
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Re: Just more protection of telcos;killing competi
Line sharing has always been a silly concept as long as the Telcos were allowed to offer their own competing service.
Hopefully investment will now be made in "alternative last mile technologies" such as wireless, LEO-Satellite and fiber instead of the counter-bureaucracy bureaucracy required to deploy and support services via the RBOC's lines.
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Re: Telcos lay down lines....
While the Baby Bells have to share their lines, it's not like it's free. It's not like it costs them anything. Understand that they are able to charge a fee to anyone using their lines to recover their costs. So it doesn't cost them anything.
What it does cost is their profit because by sharing that line means that someone else is making money on it and not them.
Not only is it a huge expense to create create a large network, think of the excess cabling etc. I have long said that the company who is maintaining the facilities should operate independantly of the company providing services.
As to higher speeds from this, nope this will make it worse. In areas where there isn't competition expect pricing to go up and speeds remain the same. The only thing that will drive DSL speeds up in certain areas is cable, as cable increases in speeds DSL will do the same to match it. After all if it wasn't for cable internet we'd probably all still be on 56k modems. |
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Re: year right.
said by Stumbles :Anytime a government agency proclaims one of their decisions will benefit the customers be prepared to pull more money out of your back pocket. The FCC was bought by corporations a long time ago. It looks like Chairman Martin is trying to outdo former Chairman Powell in cloaking corporate-lobbied decisions as consumer-friendly initiatives. He has at least another three years to do damage, so hang on tight folks while he "fixes" our broken broadband strategy.  |
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Sean
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| Two ways.
I dunno, I see this going two ways. With the 125 or so odd years of existance, the telcos are ancient. Maybe they'll respect their age and perform the way they're expected to? This definately means more revenue for them, since anyone who wants to use DSL has to go with them.
It could translate to higher money in the pockets of the execs, or they could do the right thing and invest that money in performance upgrades. I'm not just talking abotu speed. CS imrovement, more outreach, better service when shit hits the fan, stuff like that.
If they deregulate it and it all goes wrong, why can't the public just go to the FCC? Isn't that what they're for? |
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rf_engineer
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Re: Telcos lay down lines....
said by cmaenginsb :What it does cost is their profit because by sharing that line means that someone else is making money on it and not them. Not necessarily. It's like acquiring a wholesale customer. The costs of acquiring an equal number of retail customers isn't there (i.e. advertising, salespeople, etc.) Of course I guess these deals require a lot of attorneys, so maybe it is a wash... |
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TimeWarner shares thier lines with other ISP's and everyone seems to be doing well.
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Snce when is the FCC a legislative branch? All they seem to do is bend the laws around to the highest bidder! I'll remember their righteousness when I cheat on my taxes! After all,We ought to play by the same rules! ) |
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Re: Two ways.
hahahaha, you think they will bother to improve CS, outreach or service if they are the only game in town? They will do enough to keep the PUC off their back and thats about it. Why do you think ever LEC out there has a derogetory nickname? They do what they want when they want and thats fine.
I cannot even get DSL because I am on a 30k foot cable pair, there is a CLEV with an RT in it 4k feel from my house, but the LEC wont reengineer me over there, I have to order a second service and take the luck of the draw? Thats how they will contine to operate. |
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raye
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Re: Telcos lay down lines....
And this is the difference between cable and local telcos.
Cable footed the bill for their infrastructure without taxpayer support. The local telcos had taxpayer financed aid in putting infrastructure in place.
IMHO, Cable should not be required to share, but telcos should.
What will this line sharing elimination do for T1 providers? |
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