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3 edits |  Where Telcos won't upgrade; municipal BB ok
These towns are the prime examples of the abuse of power by the telcos who won't provide service claiming it is not profitable. But at the same time will spend more money fighting municipal broadband efforts than it would have cost them to wire up the town in the 1st place.
It all comes down to the telcos protecting their defacto monopoly power to the detriment of their own customers.
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oliphant
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...should have thought about that when they moved there.
People take many things into consideration when choosing a place to live...proximity to work and schools...freeways, shopping etc.
If broadband is that important, it should have made the list of priorities.
Incumbents aren't charities. They shouldn't be forced to lose money to service some residents.
ON THE OTHER HAND...this said, I also think these same residents/munis should have their right to deploy muni BB protected from these same incumbents who refuse to deploy and in turn sue to stop muni deployment.
Incumbents don't get it both ways. Sure...don't deploy if you don't want to...but then get the F outta the way when someone who is willing to goes and does it. |
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justinw76
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| I did check to make sure broadband was available when i bought my house. Verizon told me it was, my number qualified when i finished building. I placed the order, and then 3 weeks later they told me that it wasn't. They didn't tell me until I called after they missed 2 of their scheduled install/activation dates. Wouldn't tell me when it would be available either. |
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Kearnstd
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Re: Where Telcos won't upgrade; municipal BB ok
the towns should deploy no matter what the courts say. if the residents support a full Muni BB rollout then this country being one where the public is suppost to control the gov then well the public votes and that overrides the court imo.
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P Ness
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| Propose your own BB= You'll Get Verizon
All you have to do is propose your own wireless town funded wireless project...and the big telco's and cable companies will come out of the wood work to sware they were just about to invest 200 billion in your town to give you lightspeed internet....
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Loker
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we did not even have cable internet here until last summer or maybe the summer before either way it was only 1-2 years ago before that it was dial up for all...every time I go into my local office to pay my bill someone is picking up a starter kit so I do not see how verizon can deem us unserviceable we have 13,000 people in our town and a majority of them leaped at cable internet the second we could |
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Jason Levine
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Re: Anyone wanting this...
And what about people who have been living in the town since the pre-broadband era? Should they all move out and vacate the town because Verizon has declared it "unprofitable" to serve? |
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Re: Propose your own BB= You'll Get Verizon
No they won't. They'll spend 200 million on a smear campaign and court battle to stop you.
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Topmounter
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Evergreen, CO | reply to justinw76
Re: Anyone wanting this...
Ouch, that same thing happened to me with Qwest once. |
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ET TU
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| Give them the choice
Go to these ISP's tell them, We are going to wire the town ourselves you said it wont make you money heres your last chance. You have 90 days to start rolling out a high speed service or the people will roll out their own.Then when these ISP's go to court to stop it get their statements "it's not profitable service area" I don't see any reason it should be stopped they had abandoned the area for service the town reclaimed the area.Tell them we gave them a chance they didn't take it now they want it.Well start rolling it out then!!! The town gives you 6 months to start rolling it out. What's the problem?
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justinw76
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Re: Anyone wanting this...
What's even worse is that I pay $90/month for an ISDN line. |
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en102
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Re: last year
Sounds like the boonies in Canada. White River, Ontario (pop 1000 in the middle of nowhere), received cable (5Mbps/1Mbps) last year, and I can imagine that they have a high number of signups. The main thing that made it possible was that the local cable company (Shaw) has a fiber loop which runs cross country and happens to pass through town, and its only $37.95/month, without cable tv.
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Loker
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Re: Give them the choice
you could always go to them have them sign a contract saying that they have failed to provide needed services so the community will provide them you have deemed the community unprofitable so please sign at the bottom acknowledging this and waving any right to file a lawsuit of course this contract will not be preventing you from providing services in this area but you will not be able to shut us down and keep in mind your unwillingness to serve us is what brought you competition in this area |
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Loker
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Re: last year
the CO for my town is right next door basically lol so I could get those awesome speeds if they would just upgrade the CO to do DSL I know quite a few people in my town alone who have dropped verizon all together and went for VoIP because well you know verizon can not force them to keep phone service with ANY high speed plan around here because you know they do not offer them |
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broadbanderexpanderc
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Re: Give them the choice
The problem is the recent rash of state laws barring municipal networks from being initiated. With these laws, any ultimatum on broadband is ultimately not possible. The telcos can afford to fight the "problem" at the legislative level and therefore, don't even have to listen to ultimatums. People in rural areas need to get to their statehouse and call up legislators, not just their own, but ALL of them. Its no skin off of the back of a congressman from Worchester, MA if someone near Leverett can't get broadband internet service. Because the majority of Massachusetts is urban and because the majority of state reps are from urban areas, they will feel no sympathy for rural residents in search of broadband UNLESS you call and talk to them directly, regardless of if you have the power to deseat them. Politicians will listen if you talk to them one on one, even its simply to get you out of their hair and out of publicly ruining their campaign plans. I sure hope the McCain-Lautenberg bill passes. If this is a problem in Massachusetts, one of the most densely populated states, imagine what the problem is like for those in the Midwest. Anecdotal evidence will not pass here. You may live in a rural area and have broadband, but most in America who live there, don't. Its just like electricity 100 years ago. |
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Re: Where Telcos won't upgrade; municipal BB ok
nicely said |
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Re: Give them the choice
Trust me Massachusetts in PARTS are densley populated, but not there...I grew up in Mass and that doesn't surprise me. My sister, who is not to far from a very decent sized city in central Mass cant even get broadband... |
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ptrowski
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Re: Where Telcos won't upgrade; municipal BB ok
If only these towns were big enough to do a full muni rollout...we are not talking about Gotham here... |
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Re: Anyone wanting this...
said by oliphant  :...should have thought about that when they moved there. Except in many of these towns... people moved there well before broadband was even an option (like, oh, about the time they were born). And with the way home values have jumped, moving out requires turning into a renter.
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Re: Give them the choice
I don't understand how the Telco's or the cable can say it's not profitable when we all pay that money into the Universal Fund. The Universal Fund is suppose to be used for that purpose and the many other purposes. This is from the FTC site:
High-Cost. This program provides financial support to companies that provide telecommunications services in areas of America where the cost of providing service is high.
So where is all that Universal Fund tax money that we pay on our bills every month going to? |
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