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3 edits |  Video on Demand thru cable good enough for now
If you have a cable connection, the VOD features cable companies offer is plenty good enough for now. Downloading to a PC, especially when they figure out how to prevent copying, will make this type of offering uninteresting to the masses in the short term. Eventually, when home media servers are more widespread and quality wireless with HDTV capable speeds are available, downloads may become a good option for moving videos throughout the home.
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They should sell those self destruct dvds(made of corn for you tree huggers) at the checkout line in stores for all new releases. Price them around $7 and there would be an increase in profit & decrease in theft.
Most movie theft is by people who can actually afford the theater, but for whatever reason do not go. Make the dvd entry point that low, it basically nullifys a "need" for theft. Seven dollars is around the price the companies are getting a ticket & it is a cheaper way to produce & distribute a film.
The theater is going the way of the dinosaur, drive-in & cassette tape. There are much more profitable ways to distribute movies that would create less headaches than theater chains |
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Rob
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Tivo and Netflix will be releasing a service soon that will allow Netflix customers to download movies from Netflix to their TiVO for viewing pleasures (and then they expire and are removed). |
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Roundboy
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| said by Roundboy  :thats been on the table for a LONG time now... I am very excited to see it, but gave up waiting Correct. It was announced in 2004 (Sept), however, Netflix has stated then and now that they do not plan on allowing this type of service until sometime the 4th quarter of 2005.
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G_Poobah
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| In order for it to succeed..
Ok, everyone says 'on demand' and 'protected'. That's just another word for rip-off.
What do I, the consumer expect?
#1: It must save me money..
a) Using 'War of the Worlds (crappy movie btw)' as a sample, I'll pay 24.99 at the checkout line at blockbuster, if I can get it TODAY. If I can avoid going to the theatre, I'll pay a 5.00 premium to get the movie today, and watch at home. Price it too high, I don't see a value, and I won't buy it.
#2: I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it.
a) again, using 'War of the Worlds'. I thought it sucked. I would want to be able to sell it to someone else the day after. Why? I paid for it, I should be able to recover some of my costs. If I download it, I can burn it to DVD. Period.
#3: No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits. I paid 24.99 for the movie, it had damn well better be a regular, unprotected DVD. "Oh no, he'll rip it off and resell it'. Sheesh, get over it you dumbasses at hollywood. I'll do that anyway if I want to. What you can do by pricing it correctly is take away the MARKET of people I could resell it to. Your greed will be your downfall. People will pay for what they feel they are getting a value for. I have ZERO QUALMS about buying a perfect DVD bootleg copy of my favorite TV shows (Sopranos) for 20.00 vs. the 100.00 per season you are trying to rip me off. Guess what, China produces em cheaper, and I'll buy from china. Set your price right, and you will put china out of business.
#4: Of course, if you follow the first 3, you've destroyed your 'aftermarket', or as george lucas is so fond of saying 'I'll change a scene and rape you again star wars super special directors cut now with tint control' (if you're old enough to remember oliver, you'll remember the tint control joke). Get over it.
That's where the future is. It's not adding more restrictions, or trying to stop the hackers. It's providing a good value, which is something you've lost hollywood.
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nasadude
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| said by G_Poobah :Ok, everyone says 'on demand' and 'protected'. That's just another word for rip-off. What do I, the consumer expect? #1: It must save me money.. I'm with you on that one, but my desires are a little different:
I am willing to pay $10-12 for a first run (eg, War of the Worlds), one-time view, HD video file that I can watch on my HD tv. They can have DRM, but not this crap that makes you watch it within a certain period of time; if I download it and it's a week before I watch it, so be it. Once I'm done watching it can disappear, but not until then.
This is why DRM is doomed to failure - it can't possibly cover all the different desires of customers. Represented here are just two, widely differing desires; how many more variations are out there that would have to be satisfied to make a customer buy?
If the movie industry doesn't get it's sh1t together, they gonna be gone soon.
BTW, I don't go to movies anymore, I rarely rent DVDs and I never buy DVDs. I watch movies when they come out on cable/sat...or, when I start being able to download them. |
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averagedude
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Mesa, AZ | reply to Its Me Again
Re: DVDs
You need to check out Walmart's $5 bin. It seems movies are hitting the $5 faster than ever and you don't have to wait very long. |
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LilYoda
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Re: In order for it to succeed..
quote:
#2: I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it.
a) again, using 'War of the Worlds'. I thought it sucked. I would want to be able to sell it to someone else the day after. Why? I paid for it, I should be able to recover some of my costs. If I download it, I can burn it to DVD. Period.
The problem is that you could burn 20 copies and sell 20 copies.
They could either make the file burnable once only, or give the option to resell your right to the file for 80% of what you paid for it. Then the second guy can resell for 80% of what *he* paid, etc... until the price of the file drops to let's say 50% of the original sale price.
Then the price doesn't drop anymore, but 20% of the money goes back to the hollywood studio, and still 80% to the seller (this to avoid people buying the movie at $5 and reselling it at $5 infinitely) |
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averagedude
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Re: In order for it to succeed..
said by G_Poobah :#3: No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits. I paid 24.99 for the movie, it had damn well better be a regular, unprotected DVD. "Oh no, he'll rip it off and resell it'. Sheesh, get over it you dumbasses at hollywood. I'll do that anyway if I want to. What you can do by pricing it correctly is take away the MARKET of people I could resell it to. Your greed will be your downfall. People will pay for what they feel they are getting a value for. I have ZERO QUALMS about buying a perfect DVD bootleg copy of my favorite TV shows (Sopranos) for 20.00 vs. the 100.00 per season you are trying to rip me off. Guess what, China produces em cheaper, and I'll buy from china. Set your price right, and you will put china out of business.
I think DVD's should be released very close to the "movie release" date. (Idea) Price the DVD close to what it would cost 3 people to see the move (maybe add cost of a drink). Now if the pricing is right, the majority of people will purchase rather than download that first run movie. Will there still be those who download for free sure, but they would be their even if the movie was 10 cents. |
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TechieZero
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|  Of course.
Of course Hollywierd is slow to adapt.
It would eliminate all of the middle men they have justified us to pay for. Then there is all the wonderful packaging and distribution side deals. It is a totally different profit margin for them that they don't feel "comfortable" with.
You have a process to send my movies through the internet or through a media server for others to watch? How much will you pay *ME* (Hollywierd) to have access to that content and how many times will I get paid for each TV or PC that gets to view that content in every SINGLE household? I can't let you have the kids in their room and you in your living room watch the same movie at the same time! That is 2 copies! Give me twice the money!
It's all about nickel and diming the heck out of everyone so that all the middle men can rationalize their bean counting existance.
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Re: In order for it to succeed..
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I'll pay 24.99 at the checkout line at blockbuster, if I can get it TODAY
Making theatrical releases available to home video won't happen anytime soon. They will not cannibalize the box office cash cow. quote:
I must OWN in, and be able to RESELL it ... [snip] ... No damn DRM, or restrictions, or time limits ... [snip] ... That's where the future is. It's not adding more restrictions.
I disagree. The future is more DRM and more restrictions. The success of iTunes has spoken, people will buy into DRM restricted material. As much as we'd like to think the pirates can crack anything, schemes WILL get tougher. DirecTV piracy, for example, has been dark for a while now. Hardware based DRM is coming. The only way you're going to be able to get away from DRM is to use old technology (CD and DVD, or whatever the last "cracked" geneartion of DRM was). The industries will be looking to stop production of new material on those insecure formats as soona as possible.
And no, I don't like it one bit.
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Re: URLs that require registration are annoying
"Me too!"
At least we have bugmenot.com.
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guitarzan
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Re: DVDs
Are their any good movies in that $5 bin? I have not yet looked
that is why I am asking. |
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Dan
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I just wish that the MPAA would learn from the mistakes of the RIAA. To me a DVD hold much more value than a CD, but when it won't play in my Media Centre PC, and I have to spend the time to rip a copy on my regular XP box, to watch it on my Media Centre PC... well that's just not right.
DRM is annoying, and as one poster put it, you can't satisfy all the customers, but why not make less prohibiting DRM. I don't want to copy your DVD, but in this case I have to. Ironic isn't it?
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zemus
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| hmmm
I don't see why theater would be going extinct. That doesn't make any sense. People goto movies because it's an event ( a date, a group outing, just getting out of the house). I don't see HD killing off theaters at all. Theaters will just have to move to DLP. Most theaters around me have DLP now, but I am in new york. And btw there's no substitution for a huge screen and 100 other people that are interested in doing the exact same thing you are (watch that particular movie). |
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Don't know for sure but I've heard that Wally world edits all its tapes\dvds. Walmart morality...huh, funny |
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Re: hmmm
Until the sound systems improve at theaters, I don't see any real incentive to go and sit on a sticky seat and walk on a sticky floor at some local theater. Bring back the grand palaces of the 1950s and I will consider it worth going again.
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Re: Video on Demand thru cable good enough for now
VOD would be enough, if they released it sooner. I've already downloaded the DVD by the time it's available on VOD. It's pretty much the same with Movielink. If they really want people to utilize these services, they would release the movie earlier (pre-DVD release). |
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