Samwoo
join:2002-02-15
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA | And the costs come to?
"or a tenth the install price of a fiber line"
bpl was supposed to be a cheap solution (on paper), but it was later determined that power lines suked...
I wonder if actual implementation will cost that much. |
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DSLucky
Premium
join:2002-04-23
Maud, OK
clubs: | I guess it will be like SBC DSL, No naked Broadband. You gotta have their Natural Gas service to have broadband...Leaves us w/total electric homes or propane out in the cold. heh!
John |
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bradt
join:2002-01-10
Saint Paul, MN
| No way...
I just checked the calender and it isn't April 1.
This just HAS to be a joke. With all the different connections and distribution nodes for natural gas even if this could work you would end up with dial-up bandwitdh.
Plus the danger of inserting whatever endpoint you would need at the customer premise would be astronomical. We just had a building blow up because of faulty gas connections up here in Minnesota, they then discovered that the whole block is connected with faulty connections and needs to be replaced. I just don't see any municipality giving a licence to any hair-brained scheme like this.
I wonder if they also could sell me the Brooklyn bridge....
Brad |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to DSLucky
Re: And the costs come to?
said by DSLucky  :Leaves us w/total electric homes or propane out in the cold. heh! Well, maybe you can fill up your broadband every month or so with the propane?  |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH | Cool.
I was online, I lit a cigarette, and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Sorry, couldn't resist it. |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs: | It's a joke, people.
You can't transmit a signal via gas. What're you going to do, make the gas wiggle in the pipe? |
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sam800
@206.3.x.x | its possible
using gas to transmit data might be too far fetched (or not possible today)
maybe they will piggyback a cable over the pipeline itself. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to DaneJasper
Re: It's a joke, people.
Better yet... its wireless! |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Samwoo
Re: And the costs come to?
said by Samwoo :bpl was supposed to be a cheap solution (on paper), but it was later determined that power lines suked... At least you will still be able to get help if you use your amateur radio 
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Hey Fast Eddie... you're next! |
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pianotech
Pianotech
Premium
join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA | reply to sam800
Re: its possible
My ex-wife could produce enough methane to put FIOS to shame.
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Original music, no drm |
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john1290
join:2003-12-06
Reynoldsburg, OH
| reply to DaneJasper
Re: It's a joke, people.
said by DaneJasper :You can't transmit a signal via gas. What're you going to do, make the gas wiggle in the pipe? They're not using gas, they're using the iron PIPE. |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| reply to DaneJasper
said by DaneJasper :You can't transmit a signal via gas. Really? Then how exactly do WiFi and WiMax work? They definitely broadcast a signal and that signal travels through air. Last time I checked, air was a gas. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| Fiber in gas line sure, but wireless? right..
Fiber would be the better way to deliver broadband through a gas line. Wireless is not even fessible.
As for the "last mile" claim thats kinda far fetched. Seeing most gas customers are still in city/urban areas. Which they can get cable..
Most rural areas use propane tanks |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| said by markopoleo :Fiber would be the better way to deliver broadband through a gas line. Wireless is not even fessible. This is how run some fiber now - in sewer lines. It's less expensive than trenching and laying new pipe (I've always wanted to say that!), but is very expensive compared to copper based solutions.
-Dane |
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raye
Premium
join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA | Natural Gas, no thanks
I eminate enough of my own
Pfhhht.
Sorry no broadband. But sure does empty a room quickly. Comes in silent killer version. |
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public
join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to markopoleo
Re: Fiber in gas line sure, but wireless? right..
said by markopoleo :Fiber would be the better way to deliver broadband through a gas line. Wireless is not even fessible. Actually using the gas pipe as a waveguide is not as ridiculous as BPL. Practically discontinuities in the pipe may make it impractical. |
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dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to bbenso1
Re: It's a joke, people.
said by bbenso1 :said by DaneJasper :You can't transmit a signal via gas. Really? Then how exactly do WiFi and WiMax work? They definitely broadcast a signal and that signal travels through air. Last time I checked, air was a gas. Don't be silly. The signal is a disturbance in the luminiferous ether. Every 19th-century physicist knows that.
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back from the shadows again... |
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sht torrent
@verizon.net
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Paladin
dadkins
| reply to bradt
Re: No way...
quote:
This just HAS to be a joke. With all the different connections and distribution nodes for natural gas even if this could work you would end up with dial-up bandwitdh.
No, but this is.
Hey, why not broadband-over-sewer-lines? Then we could use ShitTorrent to "swap files" with our neighbors. I'd love to see the RIAA have to wade through that stuff... |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA
| what about grounding?
I don't know about everyone else, but I've been in plenty of houses that use the water and gas pipes as grounding points for the house's electrical system. My bet is that would cause a good bit of interferance with this system.
Would a seperate, dedicated, grounding pipe need to be pounded into the ground to get a good grounding point? |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
1 edit | reply to DaneJasper
Re: It's a joke, people.
DaneJasper: Its not a joke, however here are the issues:
UltraWideBand currently has a limited range as provided by the FCC for wireless transmission. As of today, if Broadband in Gas were to be accomplished, you would need an Ultrawideband transmitter every 30 feet under the road by the gas line itself. UWB was approved for wireless for SHORT Range transmissions. Now, if the FCC would approve increased range exclusive to broadband in gas, there could be less transmitters needed and less road ripups required. Assuming roadripups every 30 feet, the cost would be still be less than rolling out fiber since there would be no cost of fiber cables nor splicing and devices will be low cost.
According to Nethercomm "Broadband-in-Gas delivers unmatched levels of connectivity by making use of Ultra Wideband technology to wirelessly broadcast information in a way that is both safe and reliable by using the private spectrum isolated within natural gas pipelines."
Since they use "private spectrum", and since UWB by nature is NOT private spectrum since you are using pulses over all the frequency bands, testing would need to be done to see if there is any signal leakage outside and to what maximum poweroutput you can put in the gas line. Thorough testing would need to be done with wireless signals around a gas line using the various gas line materials in place. Newer gas lines are not made of metal, but I would gather a PVC or other composite material. So there are all sorts of complications in the mix.
Could such potentially be doable? Its definitely worth investigating because the natural gas line is yet another pipe that is in the home that travels all over. We already have testing of Powerline Broadband. And now the gas companies also will be able to experiment with their OWN version of broadband.
Between Powerline Broadband and Broadband in Gas technology, Broadband in Gas is more plausible because it is essentially for all practical purposes wireless Ultrawideband but just confined to the area of the natural gas line so you have a consistent path.
The Broadband in Gas senario allows for the transmission path that one would NOT be able to get with the regular airwaves and also because its more isolated, it may be able to get provisions for more range as well.
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