  Happyrat6Google Is Your Best FriendPremium
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1 edit | Solitaire! Still the best game money can buy on any machine 
Seriously though. I think they made a good call on this one. A lot more people these days have a broadband connection than own a Hi Def TV. And if things change in a year or two? Big deal. These boxes come out as "New and Improved" on an annual basis. Let the next generation box support HDTV... | |
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Wheeling, IL | Re: Solitaire! shiny garbage is still garbage.  | |
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| | | Seriously though. I think they made a good call on this one.
Considering the average life of a console is on the order of 5 or more years, they've made a horrible mistake. In less than 3 years most consumers would have already made the switch to hi-def tvs and when that happens, the new nintendo console is going to look really bad compared to the x360/ps3.
If they're lucky anyways it'll take 3 years, more like 1.5 IMO.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid (get the point?) move. | |
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| | Happyrat6Google Is Your Best FriendPremium
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Disneyland | Re: Solitaire! None of these companies got where they are today by producing hardware that stays current for 5 years. Seriously, what's the real product cycle in this kind of stuff? The bleeding edge equipment is released in annual or biannual cycles. And anyone who hangs onto his console for 5 freaking years is NOT a candidate for bleeding edge HDTV.
I stand by my original statement. It is NOT a stupid move on their part.
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Hacienda Heights, CA | Re: Solitaire! Do you read any videogame publications or websites, or did you just pull that 1-2 year cycle out of your ass? | |
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Disneyland | said by juicelee:Do you read any videogame publications or websites, or did you just pull that 1-2 year cycle out of your ass? Look... There are BILLIONS of NTSC and PAL televisions in the world today. Do you REALLY think that everyone is gonna run out and spend $1000 - $2000 and junk their old sets tomorrow just because it's "fashionable?"
Realistically, there's gonna be old technology around for a long time to come, minimum ten years if not twenty more.
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Hacienda Heights, CA | Re: Solitaire! Where in my comment did you read that people will be buying millions of HDTV sets in the near future? I was referring to your false claim that new consoles come out every year or so. Historically, successful hardware has had life cycles of 5 years or more, and that's plenty of time for hi-def displays to drop into the mainstream price range. | |
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49301 | Are you really sure that HD TV prices will fall to the same level or below the price of standard TVs, in just 3 years? Not likely. I certainly won't be spending $2000+ or even $500+ on one single TV, JUST so it can support HD. | |
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Wichita, KS | Re: Solitaire! You can get a traditional CRT that supports HD right now for less than $1000. Plasma and LCD are the ones that need to come down.
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| | | | | | Re: Solitaire! said by jsouth:You can get a traditional CRT that supports HD right now for less than $1000. Plasma and LCD are the ones that need to come down. the crt is essentially dead... the fact that you can get crts that come hdtv ready for well below $1000 is irrelevant... i just bought a 32" HD LCD tv from maxent for under $900... even plasma will be on it's way out in favor of LCD and OLED... | |
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| | | | Yeah, Nintendo fans are gonna give up Mario for a HD version of Master Chief... riiiight 
Sure this is an issue for fence sitters who think crisper gfx actually MAKE the game. Those people aught to be playing PS or xbox anyways. A true gamer isn't sway by HD.
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Hacienda Heights, CA | Re: ..pfft Let's all play games at 640x480. Those graphics chips companies must be stupid for even providing massive fill rate in their architectures for crap like high resolution gaming. There must be millions upon millions of retarded gamers snapping up graphics cards that can play games at 1280x1024 or higher. | |
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| | | LOL... What, they can't support BOTH broadband and HDTV? Practically any ATI graphics card these days (Radeon 8500 or newer) will do at least 1920x1080i and 1280x720p with a $50 dongle. Surely Nintendo could afford this. At cost, I'm sure these things are like $10 or less. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i still use a 20in panasonic thats atleast 5yrs old, it still works so i have no intentions to upgrade. if any console game requires HD then i wont buy it. what comes to point and what everyone should do research on is how many consoles are truely connected to HD sets and how many are hooked up to the old TV in the house. i know in my home the video game allways went onto the oldest TV and the newest was in the TV room.
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37615 | Re: Solitaire! I don't think the new consoles REQUIRE hdtv.. | |
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| | | This sounds exactly like Nintendo's argument that CD and DVD-based games weren't the wave of the future and that cartridges would be around forever. Sadly, Nintendo always seems to be about five years behind the times. | |
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| | | | Re: Solitaire! said by LinuxJunkie:This sounds exactly like Nintendo's argument that CD and DVD-based games weren't the wave of the future and that cartridges would be around forever. Sadly, Nintendo always seems to be about five years behind the times. '
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10583 | Re: Solitaire! I wish they would go back to cartridges, I hate discs. | |
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97477 | Re: Solitaire! Same... and in a few more generations, they will. | |
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I wish they would go back to cartridges, I hate discs.
We should go back to the old NES style cartridges because having to blow in them fifty times to get the dust off the contacts before it would work was oh-so-fun. :\ Not to mention paying $60 - $70 per game. | |
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CDs scratch and become useless much easier then cartridges, but the price factor and storage size are real issues. N64 carts ranged from about 16MB to 64MB, while CDs and DVDs obviously hold significantly more data. I really like fast load times, and the Cube manages to be acceptable, and much better compared to PS2/XBox, but sacrificing price and storage size probably isn't worth going back to cartridges anymore, unless some great advancement lets them hold 10GB for the price of a blank CD. | |
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58601 | Re: I agree said by Dennis:I have to say that I think they're right. HD isn't ready for this generation of consoles...maybe the next one. I'll just be happy if the stupid thing comes with the s-video, or component cables out of the box so I don't have to go buy those stupid things for an extra 40 bucks.... Those stupid things and the other accessories that you get is where they really soak you on consoles.
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92883 | I've been play MX vs ATV and 1080i and it looks great. IMO, ins't ready just means lack of titles as 1080i or 720P titles are few and far between.
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92883 | Re: I agree Yeah but they don't cost like PC gaming does. You can get an entire console, even a next gen console, for what just a high end video card costs.
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| | | | | Re: I agree Generally by the time a new console comes out, it's already miles behind top-end videocards. | |
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2 edits | PC > Console ya, while consoles are stuck with their 480~ lines (average TV resolution) I can happily play my games at 1024 lines on my pc/lcd monitor (1280x1024)
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Loveland, CO | Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot, again Ok new generation of consoles out end 2005/2006. HDTV are not common in every household. I think that will change sooner then later. Prices are dropping on HDTV. Console after this round lets say come out around 2009/2010. I wouldn't be surprised if HDTV are very common by then. Xbox 360, PS3 will be HD ready while Nintendo next console will not.
I am considering HDTV within the next year or 2 years. I would want to play games in HD if I have a HD. Nintendo just got knocked out of consideration on who will get my money for next gen console.
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot, again My next console will be HD, no doubt about that. After seeing what my HDTV can do with an HD input, I can't see putting out $300 for a new console that isn't HD.
I wouldn't have bought Nintendo's system anyway, so it may be a wise marketing strategy on their part. They didn't lose me as a customer. Maybe their market research shows people that buy their gear don't care for this option | |
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| | | Re: Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot, agai Has Nintendo set a price yet? I'm really not sure myself, but Nintendo has been putting out this game play over technology thing for a while now, but what would you think the effect on the market would be if Nintendo comes out with a console that debuts at $200 as opposed to the $400 + (if I'm remembering correctly) of the other consoles.
But it's gonna take some trimming of the fat among other things to do that.
And in case you think there is still no market for a cheap not quite as powerful console with interesting games (as opposed to only FPS's that have been designed to be ported to 14 other systems); I'm a PC gamer, and I'm very interested in what Nintendo has coming down the pike, and there has to be more people like me. Everything else worth playing eventually gets ported.
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92883 | Nice logic... Just like their online gaming plans for Gamecube.
NOW BB is a priority...always a generation late.
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| | | Re: Nice logic... Just like the N64 and its cartridge games. Nintendo has been basically irrelevant for quite awhile now. They'll hobble along in 3rd place behind Sony and MS (like Sega used to hobble behind nintendo and Sony) but they're just prologing the time before they become part of MS. | |
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| | | | Re: Nice logic... Thats exactly what i was about to say.
They did the same thing when they hyped the N64 and the cartridges games a decade ago.They scoffled at the ps1 and their use of cd back then but in the end we saw who really lost the battle.I can excuse them for that one because they probably were overconfident due to the success of the SNES at that time.However , there are no excuses for their lack of broadband support for the GC and even less excuses for their exclusion of HD in their next gen console.They just shot themself in the foot again.
It seem to me that they almost gave up and don't even try anymore.It's almost like they know that they will never beat M$ and Sony again so they simply make a new console to "follow the lead".They are happy with being the underdog and make no efforts to change it. | |
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92883 | Of course... As much as I think this is a mistake for Nintendo, it won't stop me from buying their nextgen console just as I'll eventually get the others.
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Ephrata, PA | WOW I give up I cannot belive people on this board are saying nintendo is doing the right thing adding BB support and witing on HDTV,
Does anyone realize that Nintendo is 1 generation behind Sony and MS. Sony is adding both BB and HD support and MS already had great BB support and is adding HD support.
Everytime Nintendo comes out with a new syste, they are always trying to tell the world that they do not want to add supoort for something because people are not ready for it. I for one do not want them telling me what I am ready for give it to me and let me decide. If MS had not done the Live service consoles this generation would probably not even have much support for it. I love Nintendo games but when it comes to hardware they could learn alot of things from thier competition. | |
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|  exocet_cmYou delete it, I'll find itPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: WOW I give up Just give up, it's not worth it. Cut your losses. | |
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| | Bad move HD sets are becoming more and more affordable. I'm also thinking about purchasing one soon. These next-gen systems will probably be around for a good 5 or 6 years; in half that time, the amount of people who own HD sets will be substantially larger. Why Nintendo would not implement full support for such televisions is beyond me.
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| | | Re: Bad move So you guys really do think just because HDTV is BECOMING "affordable" (define that) in US, the rest of the world will be catching up too?
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50273 | Re: Bad move I acquired a 27 incher without the ATCS tuner for $400.
CRTs forever!
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| | nonsense Now that is completely wrong:
"Nintendo came in third during the last generation's gaming console battle, largely because they didn't take broadband gaming seriously"
The main reason they are third is that people think Nintendo is for kids. Broadband is definately not the main reason. The number of PS2 users who never used broadband is still several times the number of GameCube users.
Regarding HDTV, big deal, it doesnt change the game much... apart from slowing the framerate and reducing the available memory... because there are more pixels to fill...
You really have to be a hardcore geek to choose a console just because it is "HD" like your telly... and Nintendo is not targetting hardcore geeks this time. | |
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48088 | How odd. How odd that they wouldn't make their next system HDTV compatible considering that the GameCube at least works with 480p. While it's not as nice as 1080i or 720p, it is still a HD mode that standard TVs can't display. Why would they take a step backwards?
Also, it's not their lack of broadband support that hurt them. After all, none of the current consoles had any online support for the first year or more of their release. It was their non-standard media which held much less data then either the PS2 or X-Box which hurt them more. This made it difficult for 3rd parties to port their games to the GameCube and therefor the system got less 3rd party support.
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Why have you removed the component video feature from the Nintendo GameCube?
On newer models of the Nintendo GameCube, we opted to remove the digital A/V out port from the system because we found that less than one percent of all Nintendo GameCube players used this feature.
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| | | | From the Nintendo Website.
Why have you removed the component video feature from the Nintendo GameCube?
On newer models of the Nintendo GameCube, we opted to remove the digital A/V out port from the system because we found that less than one percent of all Nintendo GameCube players used this feature. Here is the reason less than 1% used the component video feature. HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN THE FREAKIN CABLE AT YOUR LOCAL STORE? I have never seen the damn cable to purchase it. From what I remember ya had to mail order the cable directly from NINTENDO. This is why it never took off. | |
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| | | kiddies dont care about HD You think nintendos average customer cares about HD? Most of them dont care about hooking up on broadband. | |
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| | | Re: How odd. quote:
How odd that they wouldn't make their next system HDTV compatible considering that the GameCube at least works with 480p. While it's not as nice as 1080i or 720p, it is still a HD mode that standard TVs can't display. Why would they take a step backwards?
Perhaps their GPU chip is using "eDRAM" - embedded DRAM directly within the processor. This memory is generally *very* high-speed, but due to cost reasons, there is also a strong limit on how much of that memory can be added to a chip. It could well be that the amount of memory on that chip isn't enough to support HDTV resolutions. Does anyone have really detailed tech-specs on the thing yet? | |
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33133 | Timing If a console is supposed to last 5 years, and it's not coming out for another year or so...
Think about it. The console will debut sometime in 2006; HD is already picking-up steam, and will only continue to grow. Add 5 years to 2006, and you get 2011. I'm pretty sure that HD will be exploding by 2008 or so.
I'm sure they might come out with some way to retrofit or something stupid, but it'll be too little, too late. That, and it seems like their console is geared toward the younger segment of the market, who might not care about HD. That's another possibility for them.
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| | | Re: hd? not for me. So why are you even thinking of buying the new console then? Go find an old Atari at a garage sale or something. | |
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| | | | Re: hd? not for me. i'm not saying hd wouldn't be nice to have, just it's not at the top of the list of factors when i make my next console decision. yes nintendo might not support the higher resolutions, but the'll have mario, zelda, and the other franchise titles that are worth the money, and get played for hours on end. the ps3, and xbox looked great at e3, and will have some killer games. it's just my next console will be decided on who has the games that are fun, and entertaining. not eye candy. | |
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| They're nucking futs. First let me say that I do agree that graphics aren't everything in a game. Thanks to emulation I've been able to organize virtually every game I've ever owned (though not quite to the present day) over the last couple decades together neatly from a single interface. Looking over my favorites list, its clear I like the old games just as much as the new. In many cases I can choose between different ports of the same game and it isn't always the most powerful system that wins out. Despite the fact that my Xbox is the most technically superior of the three consoles I own, I play my PS2 and GameCube more because I wound up enjoying the games exclusive to those systems the most.
That said, if Nintendo isn't stepping up to high resolution gaming, why are they even bothering with a new console? The GameCube handles standard definition nicely enough as it is. I've read about their cost arguments and it's total rubbish. 3D games scale easily. We've been playing multi-resolution games on PCs for over a decade. Heck, we've been running their own Nintendo 64 games in HDTV resolutions on our computers for quite some time now. Today's graphics chips can easily handle it. Just like they missed out on the broadband gaming experience with their last console, Nintendo fans are going to miss out on a modern visual experience with this one.
HDTV is booming, and when gamers feast their eyes on what the PS2 and Xbox look like fully taking advantage of their big screens, the Revolution will get laughed out of the living room. Yes, I admit, I will probably get a Revolution just for certain franchise games I can't live without like Metroid and Zelda, but thanks to this decision, you can be sure I won't be rushing out to by the system when it's first released. I'm extremely disappointed, because I'm otherwise a huge Nintendo fan.
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join:2001-11-28
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kudos:1 | Re: They're nucking futs. I agree, why come out with another console. I have always been a hard core Nintendo user, including one of the few owners of a virtual boy (don't get me started). Anyway, they should add HD support, but it isn't going to stop me from purchasing the new console just for Mario and Zelda! | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I am still pissed at xbox for no monitor support Bah. HDTV ISN'T a requirement.
I know many of you like putting yourselves into debt over a TV, but as long as I can see what I'm doing, and enjoy the gaming, then I'm fine.
Many other gamers who aren't lottery winners agree.
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I don't see why some of you are writing them off and then saying you don't buy their consoles anyway. You are obviously not Nintendo's target audience, and that's fine. They will still make millions producing great games. Some of you seem to think it's a race and there always has to be a winner (and of course Nintendo is always the loser). Why? | |
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| | Go Nintendo! As other companies are pushing the envelope with fantastic graphics requiring more and more money all around (more cost for developers to create games, more cost for the consumer to purchase them, along with the required display hardware to "enjoy them"...) Nintendo is going in a totally different direction, bringing in some new hardware with great new features, but without destroying your budget, and the budget of anyone creating these montster graphics games.
Though I have a feeling that most gamers will never realize that that games aren't enjoyable because of high resolution graphics, but really because of how well they play. I'd honestly be happy with gamecube graphics right now, if the gameplay just kept getting better. Then again, I spend most of my time playing GBA. | |
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| | Gotta say I agree with Nintendo on this one I have to agree with Nintendo on this one. HDTV support is a nice feature, but its not really needed until you can go and purchase a resonably sized HDTV for $300. As long as I can hook it up to a CRT moniter, then everything is all good. I havent read all the specs on the console, but if it supports a moniter, then it should have a DVI output instead of regular VGA, to enable support for a nice LCD moniter. | |
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| | Don't Forget Don't forget: Nintendo said that you can connect the revolution to a computer monitor. That would be capable of HD resolution and most people own a computer monitor. The drawback is that most people don't own a computer monitor with a screen as large as their television. Computer monitors are getting larger and less expensive, and that could be Nintendo's way of offering high definition graphics without including the more expensive HDTV technology inside their machine. I won't say it's "better" than having HDTV output, but it would still give gamers and developers a means of viewing and creating high definition graphics. | |
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| | TVs... hehe Well, my main TV is something to the effect of a 23" Sony TV that is from 1985 (20 years old) and the picture quality is not as "vibrant" as other TVs, but it still pretty darn good. Plus it can do NTSC, UK PAL and PAL (anybody know the dif. between the two PALs?) | |
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Bolingbrook, IL | Think about it.... I don't see why this couldn't be fixed with an add-on. I mean, the graphics chip should be able to support the HD standards already. Most likely it would just need some kind of cord or device to connect to an HD connection. | |
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