Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | No
If they're dancing around the truth now, they'll be dancing around the truth from here on out. Put 'em in the bozo-bin with their corporate brethren. |
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el cid
join:2002-08-12
Burbank, CA | just another reason....
just another reason to keep my old rigs for "those" purposes.... |
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Newegg
Supreme Ideology
join:2004-11-14
Atlanta, GA | Compatibility?
quote:
design their products to be compatible with the Intel platforms.
I believe that. |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
 ·epix
| Intel doublespeak?
Oh I see it now.!
Doublespeak=telling twice as many lies.First by covering it.So it doesnt look like shit.Then spraying it to mask the odor.So it doesn't smell like shit.The spin doctors are having a hard time convincing people that smell is of roses.Yet the flys (media) are strangely attracted to it.Proving its shit  |
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Newegg
Supreme Ideology
join:2004-11-14
Atlanta, GA | Well said. |
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Samwoo
join:2002-02-15
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA
| Well its kinda true
If vendors are going to enforce processor drm the only way the processor is going to be able to use the product if it has drm.
So that is your "compatibility"
but then again how does this guy say they are making the chip drm compatible and not?
Well i guess you need more than a processor for the drm tech to work. it seems that this system requires a drm media drm processor and a device that can receive dtcp broadcasts, without the three this drm isn't used.
So there is not embedded drm tech... only the part of a drm tech that is needed to be in the processor. (i mean its not a fully working drm implementation)
shurgs... everything is just to vague today |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| The Apple rumor
Yes and there is the rumor about Apple using this chip to make the RIAA hate Ipod less then it does now. I'll say it again if Apple does this the Apple Computer it DEAD! I would love to be able to load a standard PC with OS-10 to me that is the fundamental mistake Apple made if they had gone for software instead of hardware how different things would be today.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| I don't believe that rumor. iTunes is not a money maker for Apple. More like a launching platform for their iPods. The RIAA can't do squat about mp3 players because there is nothing illegal about them whatsoever so I don't think Apple is bowing to such demands. Rather they would be laughing at them.
Certainly there is something going on to make the change. I just don't think the link is the record industry. As you said... that would be much too stupid a reason. |
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AbBaZaBbA
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Transmaster
said by Transmaster  :Yes and there is the rumor about Apple using this chip to make the RIAA hate Ipod less then it does now. I'll say it again if Apple does this the Apple Computer it DEAD! I would love to be able to load a standard PC with OS-10 to me that is the fundamental mistake Apple made if they had gone for software instead of hardware how different things would be today. apple's not stuipd. They'd never willingly do this. |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
Premium
join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| I can see it now
......register and about every web site so they can spy on you and share the info with everyone else and serve you up Custom ads and spam. You know this will be abused to hell and high heaven for an extra buck.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| So what's the issue?
Just out of curiousity I am wondering what the implications are if Intel embeds DRM?
Product makers have every right to insert DRM into their products to restrict it's 'use' if they choose. Obviously software based is not very good as it is easily broken and "patches" are easily distributed. So what is wrong with Intel making this a hardware based solution which will be much harder to crack and certainly harder to distribute?
I guess what I am missing is how this will actually effect a normal user in a bad way. |
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MrWiseGuy
@dsl-w.verizon | And we have our first troll folks. No not me. The guy supporting DRM. |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25 :Just out of curiousity I am wondering what the implications are if Intel embeds DRM? Product makers have every right to insert DRM into their products to restrict it's 'use' if they choose. Obviously software based is not very good as it is easily broken and "patches" are easily distributed. So what is wrong with Intel making this a hardware based solution which will be much harder to crack and certainly harder to distribute? I guess what I am missing is how this will actually effect a normal user in a bad way. Well then Skippy boy. Read this .
»www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
Then you will understand how this will actually effect a normal user in a bad way.
Sort of like if I surrender all my rights.How will that affect a normal citizen in a bad way.Perhaps this will be easier to understand.Ask your self. How will a trojan actually affect a normal user in a bad way.? Think man think. |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| Intels death....
This really pisses me off. I myself love Intel and their
CPUs, I think they are very solid. But with the new DRM, We'll have to stock up on CPUs, because AMD will go this way. When AMD goes this way, we'll have to migrate to Cyrex. This tears me apart in a way because im loyal to Intel, all of my PCs use Intel CPUs, Im not saying I dont like AMD. AMD is a good company but my Intel experience has been great, and I dont want them to go down this road. Oh well... |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| reply to Skippy25
Re: So what's the issue?
Skippy has a point. Intel does have a right to distribute said chip. Hmm.. well, maybe not..
This is no different than selling a car that was unable to go faster than the speed limit, ever. Think about it. They embed RFID chips in the road, then they require all cars to have RFID readers, and those cars will obey the embedded speed limits. So noone can break the law. That would stop all speeding, so we wouldn't need speed traps. Of course, the police would still need to have cars that could go faster than the speed limit. Cause the only ones who would have cars that could go faster than the speed limit would be criminals who hacked their RFID readers in their cars. They'll need to pass new laws to spy on people who speak about bypassing the RFID, cause that would be illegal. Hmm, oh, wait, they already DID pass a law that supresses free speech (DCMA). Well, then they'll just need to require everyone to register with a DNA databank, so when you get in your car, you need to pee in a cup, and it can compare you with a list of know dissidents, oops, I mean, hackers, who 'could' hack RFID's, and the governement could follow those unpatriotic people. The Peoples Republic of these United States knows whats best for us all, and the Patriot Act II will ensure that we remain safe. The fact that the **AA's are buying congress, and trying to force their view of what a computer can legally do is just the natural evolution of a democracy, really. And if you disagree, well, you must be a terrorist, cause only terrorist want to use their computers in a manner that's unfriendly to the **AA's.
Bottom line is that DRM = Digital RESTRICTIONS, Not RIGHTS. The concept of adding DRM to the hardware adds ZERO VALUE to the computer. ZERO, ZILCH, NADA. Everyone knows it except the public. But as you can see from the desperate spin control intel is putting out, having the public know is the last thing they want.
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | reply to Skippy25
hey all we got to do is buy an older computer  |
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OneHeart
join:2002-02-20
1 edit | said by Anonymous_ :hey all we got to do is buy an older computer All we have to do is buy a computer that does not use the newer chip in question.
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs: | reply to Newegg
Re: Compatibility?
They should use their own opcode specific to pentiumz celeronz and centrinoz so Centaur and Advanced Micro Devices cannot work with those applications.
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| conflict with reality
Their words conflict each other. Plus, the chipset does have it cuz a new Dell D410 with an Intel 915PM chipset has options to enable or disable it in the BIOS (rev A02). They can say everything they want to, but now I know it's there!!  |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
| In short YES.
I'll re-quote this quote.
" Whiteside insists they are simply working with vendors who use DRM to "design their products to be compatible with the Intel platforms."
Well it obvious from their statement that there isn't DRM software but a frame work that DRM software must tie into.
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