user_hater
join:2001-12-14
Tyler, TX | Whats the problem here?
i think the cableco's should take the ad revenew and laugh at sbc, cause nobody knows what the hell the ads talking about anyway! |
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odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
Premium
join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
·Metrocast Communic..
 ·Vonage
3 edits | deregulation = price increases
I hate to say it... but most of the time deregulation has the opposite effect.
Any time they say they want the law changed so they can lower rates.... and also claim that they also want to do it..... really gives me doubts.
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Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| said by odog  :I hate to it... but most of the time deregulation has the opposite effect. Any time they say they want the law changed so they can lower rates.... and also claims that they also want to do it..... really gives me doubts. Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas.
Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before.
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Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs: | I do not think it means what you think it means
Censorship?
Hardly.
It's a business practice that they (SBC) does not like. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Beeper
Re: deregulation = price increases
Emphasis mine:
said by Beeper :Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. These days, the price of gas isn't the best example of a price drop after deregulation 
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | business practice
"It's a business practice that they (SBC) does not like."
But they would stoop to it in a heartbeat !
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| The future is here...
It's not "censorship". It's one company exercising it's monopoly control over it's market.
Comcast is completely within its rights to not accept whatever local commercial ads for insertion into the non-broadcast channels it doesn't want to run. There is no "must carry" for those except during political campaigns.
However...
This is what happens when the only media outlet has enough market power to decide who gets to use that outlet. Comcast could easily (and legally) take a voluntary premium from, say, Burger King to not run McDonalds ads, and there isn't a damn thing McDonalds could do about it. It's no different than the local newspaper refusing ads from a store the editor doesn't like, or the local radio station refusing ads for a car dealer the GM thinks screwed him over.
As Comcast, Clear Channel, Viacom, TWC and NBC/Universal continue to gobble up all of their competition, you will see more and more of this type of predatory practice. It's only a matter of time before cable companies start blocking satellite provider ads.
SBC has their heads up their asses on this one, but the situation should still worry everyone. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Definition: Content Provider
I'd think a content provider can run whatever ads it wants. If I was trying to sell donkey sex lubricant, and tried to place an ad for it, I'd bet there'd be a fair number of content providers that would block me too. If SBC thinks they deserve to have some kind of freedom of expression right, like a political group, well, they're not, they're a corporation, and they'll have to setup a fake advocate group like everyone else. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
1 edit | reply to Beeper
Re: deregulation = price increases
You forgot cable... Oh wait, the price of cable increased after deregulation.
Fact is you can't say whether prices will increase or decrease after deregulation or not. Everyone thought cable prices would drop after deregulation and that hasn't been the case in the least.
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Minvaren
Premium
join:2001-07-26
Houston, TX
clubs: | reply to Beeper
On the other hand, there's always electricity deregulation... |
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Saradin
join:2003-05-03 | reply to Beeper
I'm a young dude, so I have to ask: what were gas prices before deregulation? They've been climbing here in central NJ over the past decade to ~2.10$ (give or take up to 10 cents) a gallon for plain unleaded now |
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Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :Emphasis mine:said by Beeper :Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. These days, the price of gas isn't the best example of a price drop after deregulation Tis true, until you factor in inflation. When you do, today's gas is cheap.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Energy deregulation wasn't good for California (yeah Enron - we mean you!) |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | reply to Beeper
Long distance was deregulated? I thought ATT got split up and LD services was just opened up to competition. |
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franchiseexchange
@verizon.n
| reply to odog
Well, deregulation comes with a double edge sword... you can't move to ban (legislate) MUNI wifi deployment away, while trying to skirt the cable franchise laws.. that's having it both ways... either you want one, or the other... not both!!!!
I'd hold verizon's feet to the fire with prices anyways... right now some cable triple play packages kill the POTS part of the verizon lineup hands down.. (if you can live with the VOIP QOS) |
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WhyADuck
Premium
join:2003-03-05
| reply to Ahrenl
Re: Definition: Content Provider
said by Ahrenl :... they'll have to setup a fake advocate group like everyone else. You don't really think they haven't already done that, do you?
I just think it is so funny when big phone companies engage in dirty tricks, and then others use those tricks against them. For example, way back in the early days of competition, incumbent phone companies set the "access charge" scheme on local calls, the idea being that when a CLEC customer placed a call to a customer of the incumbent, the CLEC would have to pay for the local call by the minute. Pretty quickly the CLEC's figured out that the best thing they could do was offer cheap ISP access at a flat monthly rate, so that the incumbent's customers would be calling the CLEC's numbers and racking up the minutes. The phone companies screamed bloody murder - they were all for access charges until the money started flowing in the opposite direction. But they had made their bed, and they had to lie in it. |
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drakkkar
join:2003-02-07
Houston, TX
| reply to Beeper
Re: deregulation = price increases
said by Beeper :said by odog :I hate to it... but most of the time deregulation has the opposite effect. Any time they say they want the law changed so they can lower rates.... and also claims that they also want to do it..... really gives me doubts. Check the price of air fare, long distance, and gas. Once they were regulated, now they are not. Today, they are far cheaper than before. Long distance used to be expensive, because it was once considered a luxury, not a necessity. High LD rates helped facilitate cheap infrastructure. The deal was basically, you provide anyone in the US with a dial tone who wants one fairly cheaply, and then you can make your profits off of long distance.
Poor highly rural arear would have been left behind by some sort of a "Telephone Divide" otherwise, since they would never have had the leverage to get phone service in a pure free market unregulated environment.
Then, once pretty much everyone had a dialtone, dereglation was possible. Both regulation of telecom, and deregulation each have thier place at various times.
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| reply to Ahrenl
Re: Definition: Content Provider
said by Ahrenl :...and they'll have to setup a fake advocate group like everyone else. Ha-hah-ha...!
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
·Comcast
1 edit | Freedom of speech... no not that of SBC
I find the whole municipal provided wi-fi service a freedom of speech issue. People have the right to communicate and other "people" don't have the right to shut them up.
SBC needs to demonstrate that they have opened their monopoly controlled market for other providers (i.e ~50%) before they can make claims of hypothetical unfair business practices by the municipal government.
I'm not a communist, but at some point it might be better if SBC's assets are nationalized and sold to the highest bidder to pay off debt  |
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NightHawke
join:2002-02-28
Rockport, TX
| Read the fine print for commercial submission
TOS/AUP sez that "They reserve the right to refuse to broadcast a commercial that is offensive and/or violates company policy."
And putting a proprganda slime that sbc is putting out is considered to be a violation of TOS/AUP.
Especially if it's a farce in the bloody first place... |
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