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Comments on news posted 2005-03-23 16:06:26: Over the next few days we're going to run a reverse countdown of what we believe to be the top 10 problems that beset the US broadband industry, one problem at a time. ..
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rodoke
join:2003-10-28
Carbondale, IL
1 edit | OT: "Reverse" Countdown? "Reverse" Countdown? (damned text mode!)
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I'm confused... | |
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TraumaJunkie
Premium
join:2004-03-05
Knoxville, TN
|  Government Control?!?!?!
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | Re: Government Control?!?!?! You dont understand what I mean, I mean that the government should force these companies to provide access, like they do with phone and electicity. | |
| PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| 10mbit instead of 2mbit... quote:
Will giving your customers 10mbit instead of 2mbit break your profitability?
Yes it will. Most providers believe it will, anyway.
The reason? If a Cable MSO gives you real, unmetered, 10 Mbps, why bother paying them for all that highly profitable premium channels and pay-per-view? You'll be able to just cut out the middle man (the Cable co.), and get the content directly from the content producers. 'same thing for telcos: they want to be able to sell alot of that new bandwidth they're installing as a per-Megabyte charge, in the form of premium TV.
Now hey, if you're willing to fork over $150/month, just as a TV "Everything Pak" subscriber would do, then they'll give you the badwidth. Otherwise, they worry it'll cut into TV content sales. | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
 ·AT&T Midwest
 ·Comcast
| Great idea....but.... I am all for more speeds. However, there is one thing that stands in the way of everyone enjoying the speed increases. Especially upload increases.
File sharing
You can thank that technology for the limits in upload speeds for the most part. It is amazing how many people leave file sharing running 24/7. If everyone got a upgrade from 512 to 1500 T1 speeds, you better have the bandwidth to support the extra speed. Otherwise, everyone on the node or network suffers.
Comparing the speeds in Japan to speeds here isn't really a good comparison. First off, the Japan 10mpbs is funded by the government. Here, you have corporations that decide what to roll out and how it gets rolled out. So should government be in control of the broadband industry? Can anyone besides myself see some downsides to that? Think about the possibility of censorship and blocking sites at the network level, then you will see what I mean. I won't even go into population density issues here in the US with everyone so spread out. Sure, you have major cities like New York that could be considered to be good opportunities for fiber deployment. However, the corporations won't pay for that, and I don't think many users would as well.
The only real cut and dry solution is to add more bandwidth to everyone and just give everyone the extra speeds. Wait...will the users pay for this speed? I know the broadbandreports community would, but what about the common user? Do they care about the speeds? We are talking about people who care about the portal or home page that is on their browser more than the speeds for the most part.
I know I have presented a lot of questions and statements in this post. I don't intend on everyone believing them. The key is that until these things change, you won't see more upload speeds in the realm of 1500up. You won't see those 10mbps speeds either. We will get these things one crumb at a time. Maybe by 2015, we will have those speeds....maybe....
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| jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | I don't want to post a subject, dammit. 10th worst thread of the week. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| Re: 2OO MBPS BPL Internet Access...an alternative BPL doesnt work, I used to like BPL, even after all the flaming from interference and HAM radio crap, Until I found out IT WILL NOT COME OUT to rural areas, WTF is it good for then? What do you think the main arguing point for BPL its rural areas, and it wont come out to them. Just face it BPL won't work, and the FCC knows this, they just like the "donations" they get from power companies. The fact is BPL is pleagued with interference problems, and the fact that it wont coem to the market its was intended for. BPL is nothing more then a rig, A RIG, how else do you think they have to bypass all that electrical crap. It will never come to rural areas, The only way to get what BPL was intended for (Rural Areas), if to force The monopoly Bells and cable giants to provide access, The way to do that? Get a politician in office that fights for the consumer not the Corperation. | |
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join:2004-07-20
Mansfield, OH | Re: 2OO MBPS BPL Internet Access...an alternative BPL works, I've done it.
Zer0 interference.
Rural is always last to get the latest, whats new there? | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | BPL will never work. Its doomed to fail and I hope it does  It's not available to the market it was intended for, then screw it! | |
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Industry_Pro
@att.com
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| spoiled and stupid Sometimes, I swear, I just wonder who writes this crap.
There is no way to profitably do the things that the people on dslreports want ISP's to do. It simply does not work. It's impossible.
You act like bandwidth is free. Try going out and leasing a DS3 or OC3 and building an access network to deliver it to customers and you will find out just how much money can be made giving away bandwidth like it doesn't cost anything. It COSTS!! IT COSTS BIG TIME !!
Some of the people on here, simply amaze me. They think providers are some kind of charity organization. We are in business to make a profit, period. We work hard and take huge financial risks, but all some folks want is more more more more. They don't want to spend more - they just want us to *give* them more as though it's all free.
Honestly, it's gross and disgusting the way some of the folks on dslreports act. Like ISP's are some kind of criminals for wanting a fair price for our services. Like we are supposed to give away bandwidth like it doesn't cost anything. Like we are supposed to support, not only *our* network and *our* computers but the user's network and the user's computers too. We are supposed to have CCIE and MCSE certified people answering the phone within 15 seconds when a $20/month customer calls.
It's all so gross, and ridiculous, it makes me wonder what kind of people write this stuff.
Please, may I supply you with infinite bandwidth and unending support *and* kiss your ass constantly for $20/month?? Oh, thank you my lord and king! Oh, you want to put it *where*? Yes, sire, please allow me to bend over for you!! Thank you sir, may I have another?
Give me a break people. You think it's better in Korea? Move there. You want the government to control prices, but you don't like monopolies? Well you're just a damn genius aren't you?
Jeez. Users like some of the folks here make this business just suck, and suck hardcore. It makes me sick that way you people act.
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Pro_2
@catt.com | Re: spoiled and stupid Amen | |
| | Marsek
join:2005-03-24
Sweden
| Move to Sweden NOW !
10Mbps in sweden (im using it now..) is alot cheaper than 2Mbit in UK =D
Move to Sweden ... now we dont only have the cutest ladies .. we "swich" the internet in speeds that make other look like they´ve just left the stoneage .. :P | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | Re: spoiled and stupid Move to Sweden lmao. Who owns the T1 TC and OC3 lines? They do you moron. The fact of the matter is, they can easily up the speeds. Also What does Sweden use for broadband? | |
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Mostly Happy Custome
| Dude, seriously - chill. Although I've noticed the same attitudes on this board, it's not worth soiling your shorts over.
That said, I don't have a problem with my service *for the most part*. I pay ~40/mo to Comcast (I also have TV service) for a perfectly acceptable Internet connection. I don't have a problem at all with the speeds, and I agree - Comcast (and other ISP's) aren't charities.
I don't have a problem with the port blocking, or TOS. I do wish they would put in restrictions on *public* servers, instead of all servers - since I do run a single, very private SSH server, (available to only three hosts outside my house), though which I tunnel into my network.
This is a technical violation of my TOS, but given that the three hosts which have access are are my work PC, my parent's PC, and a security/system administrator buddy's PC) I doubt I am adversely affecting the network. Nevertheless, if Comcast ever complains about the server (hell, if they ever discover it - the firewall is VERY restrictive) I'll bump up to the business plan.
What I DO have a problem with is the false and/or misleading advertising. Why is the presence, or value, of a bandwidth cap such a stinking secret? Why isn't there a web page that tells me what my usage is, and how close I am to that cap? Hell, I don't even mind the caps, because I understand the upstream ISP's charge by bandwidth usage, but why not come clean with the customer and TELL THEM WHAT THE BLOODY LIMITS ARE!
It's not like it's that hard - Vonage tells me exactly how many minutes I have used, as does Cingular. It's not magic - I know how many minutes I purchased, and they tell me how many I have used and what I have left. | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it. | |
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ryeager
@hydrosoft.net
|  Whomever wrote this never managed a WAN
So you have many companies selling a service for less than they pay for it. No wonder so many people complain about the speed of their connections occasionally. There quite frankly isn't the bandwidth. The only reason half the broadband providers can give you the speed they do is because they are using large monster caching servers that save local copies of recently downloaded files. Sometime go download the albanian copy of adobe acrobat, and see what your download speed is. This will be a true representation of what your ISP's connection to the rest of the net is. Then go download the english version and notice the difference.
If you don't believe me, do some research into why @home went bankrupt.
I work for a small ISP myself, and people need to do more research before they just go ahead and say "why doesn't the cable co just give me the 45mbit that their network runs at for $50 per month".
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| Soundfx4
join:2005-02-08
Roanoke, VA | Hells yeah! I agree with this completely, and if any of you have read any of my post before you know that I am sick of the US broadband BS speeds! Although this should be number one, or at least number three. | |
| | Soundfx4
join:2005-02-08
Roanoke, VA
| Re: Hells yeah! OMG, I just read some the post here from people complaining about how bandwidth is not cheap and that everyone in the USA is an idiot for thinking we should have max speeds.
Well I have news for you idiots, bandwidth IS cheap, but greedy corporations sell it for an enormous and ridiculous profit. I hate people like you with a passion that I can't possibly put in words. Your ignorance makes my blood boil! I just have one question for you. If bandwidth is expensive, then why is it that I can get a 100 Mbps up and down in Japan? I'll tell you why, because Japanese corporations are actually being fair to their costumers! For all of you that think bandwidth is expensive, I have proof that it isn't. Here is proof, I hope you enjoy this.
»members.cox.net/soundfx44/proof.JPG | |
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