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Comments on news posted 2005-03-09 19:21:03: With traditional ADSL networks and modems capable of offering speeds up to 8MBps (depending on CO distance), why haven't telcos offered it? Frequently asked in the States, that's also the question ISP's and users are asking Telstra, Australia's domi.. ..

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Hahahahaha

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Right.

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what the hell...? how can anyone NOT be interested in 8 megabit service...? unless of course it comes at an 8 megabit price, which in australia, is probably outrageous...

evoxfan
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I just wish I could get DSL at all.


Bill
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Distance..

How many people would even qualify for an 8Mbps package? Right now a very select few can even qualify for 6Mbps packages.

Along with qualifying, you'd need to pay big $$.
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GWI.net has a 8mbps package for $50 per month,it is the only one that I know of.

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Bandwidth is NOT that expensive... certainly not thousands for a 50 MB pipe. The only thing expensive is the infrastructure, but seriously, a 3MB Cable connection to your home probably costs the network about $15 in bandwidth... it's too bad companies like to get as much $ as possible from each user. How else could you get a CoLocation for $100 a month with an unlimited 100MB line?

Edit: fine, you can't get a 100MB unlimited line, but you can get a 100MB 600GB capped line for $100 a month


EFudd
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It would be nice, but...

8Mbps would be nice I suppose, but more than a few of us would rather have a higher upstream. Whats the point of having an 8Mbps downstream if you can only upload at 256k or less?

I know the Australian ISP's used to have bitcaps, so if they still do have them, then again, what would be the point of 8Mbps?

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Sprint ION did...

...and look where that ended up.

Eight megabits is nice but at a certain point you're just in it for bragging rights. And as pointed out by another post, nobody wants to pay for it.

If you insist on asking the question, though, why not also query cable companies as to why they don't open the gates and allow the full 10 megabits of download speed to all of their customers. Or even offer it for that matter. It's a lot easier to do that from a technological standpoint than pushing 8 megs through a three mile long pair of copper wires.


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My guess is, not enough people would qualify

SBC seems to have practically ditched their 6mbps offering. In some areas you can get it by calling a special number, but they no longer advertise it as being available. An informal poll showed it generally only working up to about 7500 feet from the CO or 10,000 feet from an RT. 8mbps service would tighten those numbers up even more. When you factor in that it is wire distance and not actual travel distance, it's really a very short distance away from a CO or RT.

Does anyone have the Verizon 7100/768 service through a reseller? Verizon usually over-syncs their DSL offerings. It's possible that they sync that tier at the max ADSL rate.

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What's the point?

Personally, I don't see a particular need right now for 8mbps. I see more of a need for higher speeds upstream rather than downstream. I am perfectly happy with my 3mbps service and can't imagine any reason why I would need more than this. Once streaming video (television channels) becomes a bit more popular it may be worth it to upgrade but as of right now it's just not worth it.

mlundin

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Why? You ask

Why don't Telcom's offer 8 Mbps if they can? Because they don't have to. (Read: Their competition isn't forcing them to) And I am with those who would rather have upload speeds that match their download speed...of course, I would take both if possible.


chd176

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I guess that's why OOL offers 10 MBs and Verizon (FIOS) offers 15 MBs but they never sale any packages because nobody is intrested in that kind of speed...


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Just a guess...

A few things that might be keeping them from offering it.
1. People will have a new speed tier to be jealous of and will complain that they don't qualify for (as if the phone company is singling them out out of spite.)
2. The extra bandwidth will eat out of the available bandwidth and less customers will be serviceable out of the CO/RT without overselling it.
3. Supporting the loop to be as clean as necessary to support these speeds are likely to be costly.
4. People who seem can qualify then after spending money for techs to dig into their problems and finding out they cannot support the speed and then the customers frustration and their claims of bait and switch when it doesn't work out.
5. The few people that will actually sign up for it and the little extra money it will provide might not out way the above 4.
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oliphant
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I had 7.1 with DSLx

And it was great...everything but the price. Don't price it in the stratosphere and you'd have more takers.
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Re: Right.

I'm just happy that I can get cable!


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Re: Sprint ION did...

for one, you have to live 2 yards from the CO -- thats just to get 6mbits.. i am 9500k and can not even get 2mbits, hence why i am a happy camper on cable now.

cable on the other hand can go what, 30 miles before the signal degrades to the point it starts to effect speed?

give it time, you'll start seeing more and more 8mbit+ cable providers.. i am already at 6.5mbits and there are talks of a 8mbit tier. comcast went from 1.5 mbit to 3mbits to 6mbits in about a year..
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cable is more advanced then DSL i think and so that gives it greater range.
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thender2
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Who cares?

Fiber's where it's at.

DSL and cable are both flawed protocols, that, while better than dial-up, are limited towards future expansion.

Most cable companies throttle and give transfer caps nowadays(comcast, OOL, roadrunner did this once last year also). DSL is limited by distance.

I'd rather telcos focus on wiring us for fiber instead of delivering better DSL speeds for those who live half a block from the CO.
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reply to Sebastian
Re: Sprint ION did...

said by Sebastian See Profile:

for one, you have to live 2 yards from the CO -- thats just to get 6mbits..
I'm about 5000ft and I can get up to 7800kbps. My cap is at 6016.
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i am 9500k and can not even get 2mbits, hence why i am a happy camper on cable now.
Sounds like you've got a lousy line! SBC's limit for the 6016kbit package is around 10000 feet.

I think the problem is on your end.
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Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx

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And it was great
In what way? What could you possibly find to d/l at that speed? I'm at 4.7 Mbps (570 KB/s) but rarely find anything which will d/l above 200 KB/s. I suppose you could d/l several movies or iso's simultaneously but you'd need a stack of blank DVDs to store all that stuff.

Unless you have a very large family or are providing wireless to the neighborhood, I don't see what use this is.
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