Fraoch
join:2003-08-01
London, ON
| Bell Canada Gets Naked
Heh, heh, just asked someone about this at a Bell World store a month ago.
Back then it was "impossible". They did state it would be "possible" when Bell introduced their own VoIP service near the end of the year.
Gee, how times change in a few weeks! |
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
 ·CenturyLink
| Duh
Been there done that ten years ago.
Bell doesn't want competition in any area they service -- even if they don't offer broadband. I have no sympathies for any Bell after I witnessed the way they treat local competition. Small mom & pop ISPs wait up to 9 months after a line upgrade is ordered for it to get installed. Bell upgrades their systems state wide in a matter of hours - and they don't want months to do it once they make a decision.
Historically, when it comes to internet service providers and connections, there is a huge difference between the bitch and the pup. . |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | How much?
What will the "line charge" Bell Canada will charge for this service? |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Where's the facts?
"Responding to complaints, regulators in a growing number of states have ruled the tactic to be illegal."
What states, what complaints? Complaints here don't count. Where are the actual, filed complaints about line sharing?
"It's an issue many argue the FCC should have addressed long ago"
Why? There is no reason for the FCC to even stick their nose in this on their own motion. You can't have the deregulation that allows independent CLECs and VoIP providers to exist and then turn around and whine when that process results in a situation you don't like. Anyone can order an unbundled loop. Nobody wants to pay for it though. Sounds like you want it for "free".
"though the market is slowly forcing telcos in that direction naturally"
If this is the "way it should be" then it will get there through market forces. "Naked DSL" is little more than a marketing/PR buzzword. Ameritech/SBC (for example) ran all DSL on unbundled loops for a number of years until they were forced to line share. Some of those circuits are still in service. How ironic is that? Make up your mind whether you want to have your cake or eat it, Karl Bode  . |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| reply to Fraoch
Re: Bell Canada Gets Naked
said by Fraoch :Heh, heh, just asked someone about this at a Bell World store a month ago. Back then it was "impossible". They did state it would be "possible" when Bell introduced their own VoIP service near the end of the year. Gee, how times change in a few weeks! Funny how competition is changing things? Videotron is currently heavily harvesting Bell customers with our VoIP service. The soup is getting hotter, Bell know it's better keeping a DSL access than loosing everything.
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Don't worry, it's not loaded. ~~Terry Kath, musician, Suicide playing Russian roulette. January 23, 1978 |
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karlj1
join:2004-01-25
Ottawa, ON
| reply to DaSneaky1D
I Smell A Corporate RAT....
Notice how only Sympatico users can get Naked DSL?
What about third-party DSL providers? If I want say Magma, or another DSL provider and no local phone line, can I get it? Will Bell charge me though the nose to get it? Also will the quality of service be there or will Bell lag with connections/repairs for third-party DSL providers?
"Captain, there be rough seas ahead..." |
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ldisimino
join:2004-08-17
| Smart move by Bell - VOIP Soon
This seems to be a smart move on Bell's part. First of all, they're finally recognizing that they've been losing VOIP customers to cable internet. Secondly, it think this move indicates the launch of Bell's VOIP service in the very near future. Frankly, I think this was only done by Bell in preparation fo their VOIP service; it wouldn't make much sense for them to market VOIP and require customers to have a POTS line at the same time. |
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parkbear
join:2004-02-02
Kamloops, BC | reply to Fraoch
Re: Bell Canada Gets Naked
I signed Up for Telus naked last week |
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Doci
Toothless Fairy
join:2003-02-01 | reply to linicx
Re: Duh
You're confused. Read the topic and text, Bell Canada has nothin to do with your baby bells.
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An ISO 14000 registered service provider. |
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t10
join:2003-05-25
Woodbridge, ON
| reply to karlj1
Re: I Smell A Corporate RAT....
said by karlj1 :Notice how only Sympatico users can get Naked DSL? Not an issue, other ISPs can run a copper dry line to your house and offer you free naked DSL.
Oh wait, you trying to tell me those companies dont want to run copper to your house for free?! SUCH NERVE!!
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Sympatico Ultra + Rogers Extreme Dual WANage |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
1 edit | reply to RadioDoc
Re: Where's the facts?
quote:
Anyone can order an unbundled loop.
What? For under say $60? |
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Bozono
@24.43.x.x
| Hooray
Only sensible choice they can make. There are plenty of folks like myself who don't need a landline and can only afford $40-50 for the net. I do hope that them lying about feasability of implementation in the past surfaces with some smoke. Alas, don't screw us with a $10 surcharge please. |
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hourensuman
@68.75.x.x |  reply to parkbear
so
what did you do after they called the cops on you? |
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hourensuman
@68.75.x.x | reply to parkbear
was that before or after they called the cops on you? |
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Azathoth666
@161.216.x.x
| Bell Canada Gets Naked
Lets not forget that Bell need to identify you, just like the internet need to identify your computer. Altough internally nearly all their system is now on IP protocol, the old analog lines that connect every houses are not. They will therefore need to still asign a phone number to you 'house'. Since the CRTC 'rent' the numbers to the providers (last time I checked it was something like 6,25$/number) Bell (and others) will most probably have to charge us at least that. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Minister
Re: Where's the facts?
They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.
Covad sells their "naked DSL" product for about what it would cost to have basic POTS with linesharing so you pay one way or the other. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| quote:
They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.
I don't understand. I can't call SBC, BellSouth, or Verizon and get stand-alone DSL on a dry pair without the local phone component. |
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benatzygoatdotca
@66.11.x.x | reply to Azathoth666
Re: Bell Canada Gets Naked
I think you're on crack. Every copper pair has a circuit number. The phone number is something that gets attached at a much higher layer.
-b |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to Minister
Re: Where's the facts?
Who said you could? If you want that call someone who sells it, like Covad. I was talking about the "unbundled" part of the equation. What you put on it is your business. |
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goldenLad
@216.75.x.x | Modem Rentals
Now if Bell could be only be convinced to offer the service without the forced modem rental... |
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