JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | So... the 1300 jobs cost Lafayette taxpayers $18m?
Interesting to know the Lafayette taxpayers are willing to subsidize private enterprise too. |
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | knockout
This is it Lafayette, go for the knockout. Bellsouth backpeddling, take them out now. |
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | reply to JTRockville
Re: So... the 1300 jobs cost Lafayette taxpayers $
The Bellsouth person is concerned that... ...the municipally run fiber project could create a local monopoly.
I am at a loss for words. |
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
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join:2003-01-25
2 edits | reply to JTRockville
"Is it the place of a local government to subsidize the private sector?"
Hehehe
Very nice, JT....dodge, parry, lance, thrust! |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to Topmounter
I think it's funny how giving consumers a choice is a monopoly. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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BellSouth HR Dept. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| They had it right originally
quote:
In an LUS-dominated market, Oliver said Thursday, BellSouth would have less incentive to keep a call center in an area where it has diminished business interests, especially considering those same services could be performed by people in "Timbuktu."
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The headline running over The Advocate's metro edition story Friday said "BellSouth threatens pullout." The Advocate ran a correction acknowledging that the word "threat" should not have been used in the headline.
I think the article, while maybe not the most accurate, is exactly what BellSouth meant. They just didn't say it. You could call it "threatens", "considers", "suggests", or "insinuates". They all mean similar things. BellSouth knew exactly what they were saying and knew exactly how it would be interpreted. They just didn't flat out say it. BellSouth's PR firm and management aren't rookies you know.
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DSLJohnny
join:2001-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| How about some common sense...
As much as y'all hate BellSouth and monopolies, do you really want government running your communication services. Shouldn't we really be trying to LIMIT government?
How is a private company supposed to compete with a government? Just why would BellSouth want to even show up if the government is running the communication services?
And yes, believe it or not, Bellsouth is not in a monopoly position in broadband - they are actually in the minority providing broadband. And they are in the fight of their life with the cable companies. Why don't you just let private enterprise duke it out. BellSouth and the cable companies.
Government?? give me a break!
John |
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blah194
join:2002-03-04
Lake Charles, LA | reply to JTRockville
What you people all fail to realize...
...is that this fiber project is NOT being funded by the Lafayette citizens, but by you guessed it, the federal government (a.k.a. the taxpayers). So you should keep that in mind next time you rail on about Bell and Cox being afraid of competition. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | reply to DSLJohnny
Re: How about some common sense...
Sounds to me like municipal systems will provide the perfect compliment to a market dominated by telephone and cable companies. A "rule of 3s" so-to-speak. |
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JonR800
Premium
join:2003-08-06
Farmington, MI
| reply to DSLJohnny
Fight of their life.... haha... where's the proof on that one? United States broadband hasn't seen the same evolution as the rest of the world. Have you seen BellSouth's plan for future broadband? If it takes the government stepping in to give the lazy greedy telecom giants a kick in the pants, then so be it.
If they're so worried about Lafayette and other communities offering fiber, then why don't they beat them to it? |
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AboutBell1
AboutBell
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join:2004-12-13
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said by DSLJohnny  :As much as y'all hate BellSouth and monopolies, do you really want government running your communication services. Shouldn't we really be trying to LIMIT government? How is a private company supposed to compete with a government? Just why would BellSouth want to even show up if the government is running the communication services? And yes, believe it or not, Bellsouth is not in a monopoly position in broadband - they are actually in the minority providing broadband. And they are in the fight of their life with the cable companies. Why don't you just let private enterprise duke it out. BellSouth and the cable companies. Government?? give me a break! John It makes about as much sense as Gov't running the car highway system. What makes the information highway that much different? |
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JTRockville
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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| reply to blah194
Re: What you people all fail to realize...
Which project is being funded with federal dollars? BS/Cingular call center, or the Lafayette municipal system?
Either way, I think you're mistaken.
The $18m for the BS/Cingular call center all came from Lafayette and Louisiana:
said by the advocate article in the news item:
The concessions include $10 million in state tax breaks, donation of land and the building from LEDA and discounted utilities from LUS, Gothreaux said.
State = Louisiana
LEDA = Lafayette Economic Development Authority
LUS = Lafayette Utilities System
I'm not sure how Lafayette plans to fund the municipal system, but I'd be absolutely shocked if the feds contributed. |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
·DSL EXTREME
| Hmmmmm.....
As I have said in the past, this isn't about hosing the phone companies or creating a municiple run monopoly, it is about doing what the telcos won't do.... If it gets done and doesn't cost the taxpayers, it will make them look bad....which by the way they can do on their own...
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Re: How about some common sense...
Hmm, unless I'm mistaken. The Federal Government, State Governments and Local Governments DO run our highway system. Could it be better? Maybe. But then I guess the global information network used by the DOD is a piece of crap.
Now to the point. How about checking with the customers of other municipalities that have their own fiber before making such a blanket statement.
Oh wait, the local governments can't possibly know what they are doing with such high tech stuff. Yeah better leave it to the fat corporations and let them suck the money out of a local area rather than letting that money be recirculated within the community. |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Cingular is the cell phone division of Bell.
How does a fiber optic install hurt the Cingular cell division? And how can Bell even use the word monopoly in a defensive statement?
This is blackmail in every sense of the word.
Either the Bell's need to be brought back to a regulated utility or they need to be turned loose in a unregulated competitive market. As of late, they are enjoying the best of both worlds which only hurts the customer and pads the pocket books of the stockholders. Their arrogant mode of behavior is proof positive that the consumer is suffering for the hybrid status of telco's.
I would just as soon see muni's build their own fiber networks. At least the customer would be better served in that they would be closer to the management, ie. elected officials and have more ability to see the customer is once again the number one reason the service provider exists at all.
I say do away with all regulations and protections granting telco's guaranteed existence. Make them compete in an open market like everyone else.
Or better yet, let the municipal government take over the companies assets under eminent domain and get rid of the greedy telcos. When the people are threatened as Verizon has most assuredly done, the government definitely has the right to squash the threat.
SQUASH VERIZON! |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| reply to DSLJohnny
Re: How about some common sense...
Verizon is a monopoly to the point they are guaranteed existence. And due to the off the wall regulations the FCC has been spewing, we have government in the back pocket of the Bell's running the show.
Telco's were born under monopoly protection. Their infrastructures were built buy rate payers and they were to be trustees for the rate payers. Any other form of operations is 180% out from the purpose of their protection. Since they no longer meet this role as trustee, they should no longer be allowed any protection as a utility or legal monopoly. I reitterate, their infrastructure is supposed to be the rate payers infrastructure. The telcos could not have built the infrastructure without the protection of a utility. And for them to act as though they earned or developed this infrastructure as a competitive company is nothing short of stealing or a breach of their fiduciary duties to the rate payers! |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | pot calling the kettle black
"....that the municipally run fiber project could create a local monopoly."
he means "another monopoly" besides the one bellsouth has. Personally, I would call it "competition", but that's just the silly consumer in me talking. |
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | reply to blah194
Re: What you people all fail to realize...
You do know you pay taxes to the state which are separate from federal taxes for things like this don't you? That is why you file a state tax return.
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | reply to cdru
Re: So... the 1300 jobs cost Lafayette taxpayers $
I was thinking it had to do more with government competing in the free-market. When the government competes in the free market as a not-for-profit institution then no sane private or publicly traded company can afford to compete. |
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