NetEng_Dude
join:2004-07-17
4 edits | BPL is Junk Broadband
The NMRC is nothing more than an industry lobbying front and PR mouthpiece (aka Astroturf). The BPL industry shills have been making the same ridiculous claim for the past several years. 2003, 2004, 2005, it's still not the year for BPL, and never will be. It's a turkey. Regardless, it is increasingly apparent that the BPL industry is comprised of the clueless and incompetent when it comes to Internet broadband. The list of BPL failures grows daily. No traction, defective technology, bad press. It's a desperate industry.
BPL is junk no matter how many hyped-up press releases with bogus claims are issued. The biggest laugh in this one, the claim that a quarter million homes had the opportunity to choose BPL. Looks like 99.99% must have said no to the offer. What a joke.
Kudos to BBR and others in the media for exposing these phony special interest lobbying fronts. Well done. |
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
Premium
join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX | To Editor...
What is with the double "the New Millennium Research Council is for hire"? Out of ideas how to express it differently? |
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rsempell
join:2004-12-28
Eureka, CA | Re: will i be available where power is.
or will it just be certain areas. |
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Rob850
join:2003-04-11
Mary Esther, FL | Why not just use existing technologies
How about they just offer remote DSLAMS or wireless or cable lines in remote areas? BPL sounds like to me it can damage you and your PC.
Rob
»www.robfwb.com - the chat room IS open! |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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Re: BPL is Junk Broadband
said by NetEng_Dude  : 2003, 2004, 2005, it's still not the year for BPL, and never will be. It's a turkey. Regardless, it is increasingly apparent that the BPL industry is comprised of the clueless and incompetent when it comes to Internet broadband. The list of BPL failures grows daily. No traction, defective technology, bad press. It's a desperate industry. BPL is junk no matter how many hyped-up press releases with bogus claims are issued. Well, why don't you take your OBVIOSULY superior intelligence and help these folks out?
You surely could make a few million off consulting fees alone. |
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snorpus
join:2000-10-02
Export, PA
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Because...
...they're electric power companies, not telco's or cable companies. Power lines are what they have, and they see them as their entry into the lucrative (?) broadband internet business.
Never mind the negative effects to public safety, aircraft and radio amateurs. Never mind the near certainty their customers will experience frequent service interruptions when licensed transmitters are in operation. (FYI, a 1500 Watt output CW signal into a 10db gain antenna can generate really impressive field strengths.)
BPL opponents haven't needed to astroturf to make their case: the Florida hurricanes of last summer and the recent tsunami in Asia have demonstrated the importance of HF communications, even in this age of cell phones and the Internet.
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kg4icg
join:2003-11-16
Herndon, VA | reply to NetEng_Dude
Re: BPL is Junk Broadband
To bad they for got the little tidbit about how the plug was pulled on the Manassas BPL situation because of the high cost and problems.
R Collins
p.s. my truck is bigger then your truck cause my mommy said so |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| said by kg4icg :To bad they for got the little tidbit about how the plug was pulled on the Manassas BPL situation because of the high cost and problems. The plug was not pulled on Manassas, they're just on their second partner/contractor. The following were shut down:
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
The system was deactivated by the carrier after a ham filed interference complaints. The carrier attempted to resolve the interference issues, but after 11 weeks or so, the interference was still unresolved. The FCC stepped in and the carrier voluntarily deactivated the system.
Penn Yan, New York
The system had open interference complaints, and the system integrator decided to discontinue the BPL trial and migrate to wireless.
Raleigh, North Carolina
The carrier announced deactivation of the system which they claim was a successful trial. The system had numerous interference complaints lodged, however, most of which were unresolved at the time of the announcement. It's arguable whether this shut down was due to interference, but the FCC never officially dismissed the interference complaints. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
2 edits | Ouch!
A really pissed off BPL user. |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA
| Side Efftects of BPL
Side affects are generally mild and may include: Headache, Bleeding, Anal Leakage and Death.
Erections lasting for more than four hours require immediate medical attention.
Do not take BPL if you are a Ham Operator or Emergency personal as a sudden loss of frequency may result.
Blah Blah Blah
Flushls |
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dead hamster
|  Re: Side Efftects of BPL>lost CABLE/DSL subscriber
the day CABLE/DSL rates will surely go down... and the death of WW2 hamsters hobby with proliferation of satellite phone technology !!!
Cable/DSL lobbyist continnued backhole support of HAMSTER group to fight their competitor is a shame... !!!
In the end broadband consumers will still win !!!
200mbps Broadband over powerlines will win the race !!! |
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vote4change
join:2004-10-19
Omaha, NE | Same guy again |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
1 edit | reply to dead hamster
do you EVEN read the posts? people arent buying your BS
i will NEVER get BPL if it EVER becomes available just because you had to post unproven propaganda in here, i will stay on DIALUP if i have to
BPLThe future interfering technology of your, Cell phone, Satilight, Cordless phone, PDA, FM radio, PACE MAKER, ECT
BPL THE "FUTURE OF BROADBAND" IN AMERICA (because some people are stupid enough to believe in it)Not responsible for any, but not limited to: smoldering pets(DEAD HAMSTERS), sterilized people, or half baked equipment, WARRANTED equipment void if not properly covered in aluminum foil
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justncredible
@rr.com
| Electricity on power lines is at 66 hertz, let that power travel all it wants. All they are doing is sending more freqs down the line, same thing they do with copper phone lines. The line bleed is higher since the amount of power going thru the lines is so much greater. I think they can tweak the bleedout and make everyone happy. Only a true idiot would NOT support the research into this. So many of you want muni ran ISP's now is your chance. Also it is very strange to see BBR post a article about the bad stuff from BPL, and then the same week try to make muni ran fiber sound like a good idea.
Makes you wonder who is paying the BBR bills?????????????
Bottom line BPL should be explored, the technology is getting much better and the complaints are few. Uf they get the process to run smooth, and the cost for upkeep and upgrades is low then I would support this as a option to muni ran tax dollar wasteing fiber. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Why don't you use that little search button and read the posts of "rf-engineer" who explained, in great detail, what BPL does and its inherent problems.
This is NOT new tech, it has been tried before and has failed multiple times for various reasons.
BBR's bills are not paid by the telcos or cable companies. If you think they are, read some of the forum posts when complaints are made (caps and faulty email servers are good searches.) |
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA | reply to justncredible
justncredible? - yeah, the fact that there isn't a single technically accurate fact in your entire post! Have you read anything about this technology before posting? With support like this, BPL is certainly doomed. |
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Kommie
join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT
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Re: Because...
said by snorpus :BPL opponents haven't needed to astroturf to make their case: the Florida hurricanes of last summer and the recent tsunami in Asia have demonstrated the importance of HF communications, even in this age of cell phones and the Internet. I am going to call BS on that one. Cell phones still worked during the tsunami.When the Florida hurricanes happened how did the old hams help ? Most of the state still had telephone access and the network was so large that carriers still worked for the cell phones.
And just to add to the fact that there are other ways of communication with out using hams, i.e satellite phones(Which are popular in Asia) used by the news media.
Ham is ancient let it go. We need more competition for internet and if BPL is going to give us a big upload speed then I find it more beneficial to all of us. Unlike hams which are used only by a niche certain percent of the population. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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Re: Side Efftects of BPL>lost CABLE/DSL subscriber
said by justncredible:
Electricity on power lines is at 66 hertz, let that power travel all it wants. All they are doing is sending more freqs down the line, same thing they do with copper phone lines. The line bleed is higher since the amount of power going thru the lines is so much greater. I think they can tweak the bleedout and make everyone happy. Only a true idiot would NOT support the research into this. So many of you want muni ran ISP's now is your chance. Also it is very strange to see BBR post a article about the bad stuff from BPL, and then the same week try to make muni ran fiber sound like a good idea.
Makes you wonder who is paying the BBR bills?????????????
Bottom line BPL should be explored, the technology is getting much better and the complaints are few. Uf they get the process to run smooth, and the cost for upkeep and upgrades is low then I would support this as a option to muni ran tax dollar wasteing fiber.
BPL has been researched and explored for years. It's not like this is nuclear fission. Your explanation of the power transmission frequency (which is actually 60 hertz) and BPL data transmission is incredibly simplistic and wrong. You can't "tweak" radiation from an unshielded line that is multiple wavelengths long, you just relocate the frequencies so you hopefully don't interfere with anyone. But this technique runs into problems as the bandwidth needs of the system go up because you need to run more frequencies on the line. This isn't the same as copper twisted pair as you claim - that medium is naturally self-shielding and doesn't have the problems that BPL does.
Munis can use wireless. Fiber costs significantly more right now, but it's a future-proof solution. BPL is trying to solve an unsolvable physics problem with marketing, hype, and political smoke and mirrors games. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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Re: Because...
said by Kommie :said by snorpus :BPL opponents haven't needed to astroturf to make their case: the Florida hurricanes of last summer and the recent tsunami in Asia have demonstrated the importance of HF communications, even in this age of cell phones and the Internet. I am going to call BS on that one. Cell phones still worked during the tsunami.When the Florida hurricanes happened how did the old hams help ? Most of the state still had telephone access and the network was so large that carriers still worked for the cell phones. And just to add to the fact that there are other ways of communication with out using hams, i.e satellite phones(Which are popular in Asia) used by the news media. Ham is ancient let it go. We need more competition for internet and if BPL is going to give us a big upload speed then I find it more beneficial to all of us. Unlike hams which are used only by a niche certain percent of the population. BPL could technically lobby for HF spectrum if it actually used it for providing service. The fact is it doesn't, it merely pollutes it. As such, it needlessly wastes wireless spectrum. We can have broadband and wireless HF spectrum. BPL is not needed to provide more broadband or competition as the barriers to this are political, not technical.
Amateur radio is more than emergency or hobbyist communications. It's also about education and experimentation and is much like a natural resource available to the public. Cell phone networks aren't nearly as resilient as they used to be and satellite communications isn't very cost effective. There's always a need for alternate communications capabilities. HF provides a simple, infrastructureless, cost-effective means of communicating around the world when everything else is congested or has failed. |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | reply to rf_engineer
Re: Side Efftects of BPL>lost CABLE/DSL subscriber
I think my poin is that BPL with noise mitigation in place can cost about $10k per mile about what I spend on Fibre.
Flushls |
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