Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Google isn't Microsoft
I would trust Google over Microsoft any day. Microsoft manages to screw up everything and anything they touch. I have not had any problems with any of the stuff Google provides... not to mention, the Google toolbar is OPTIONAL software. Microsoft would force people to use it and make them figure out how to turn off the feature.
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DreamCarr
Winter Sucks.
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join:2001-04-16
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| not google now too....
personally, i find embedded links like that, especially for advertising, to be a huge nuisance. i dont want to have to watch where i move my mouse on a webpage just to avoid a link popup giving me a blurb about a random word on the page. the google toolbar has now entered my 'annoyance' category, which is only one step away from spyware in my opinion.
i know you can disable it, but i still find it intrusive. hotbar used to be a legitamate program/toolbar as well, and slowly morphed into the blight that it is today. i dont want to see google go the same way.
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
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Re: Google isn't Microsoft
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. I love this mentality if its Google or Firefox its good and good for you, but if it says Microsoft its automatically bad. No proof needed that its bad, it just is.
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Taranis
join:2001-12-06
Mount Vernon, WA | Smart Tags
I'd love to learn how to turn them off altogether, Google or not. It's a pain, as stated above, to have to carefully navigate around them so I'm not hit with yet another advertisement... |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
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Re: not google now too....
said by DreamCarr  :i know you can disable it, but i still find it intrusive. hotbar used to be a legitamate program/toolbar as well, and slowly morphed into the blight that it is today. i dont want to see google go the same way. That's a good point, and a cautionary tale. Lots of current spyware started out as software of some value. Even, arguably, Gator. Which is Spyware. (Claria is Spyware.)
I don't expect Google to succumb any time soon, but the path away from "Don't be evil" can be unclear...
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| I see no problem...
So long as they are not turned on by default when installing the searchbar - which they are not.
Since you have to actually turn the feature on, I don't have a problem with Google offering it. If Google wants to add a "make my web pages look like crap" button, they can, so long as that is not the defualt setting when the toolbar is installed.
Please note if Google changes the option to being on by default, my opinon changes completely. |
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Logan 5
Some people go WAY over the top
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
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|  It's the old Microsoft Double standard...AGAIN
Google's new "autolink" feature that's bundled in the latest beta version of the Google toolbar is a BAD idea, even if it can simply be turned off' as they say. There's just TOO much personal information on surfing habits, etc.. that COULD be collected in a server somewhere and that's (IMHO) as big a concern as Adware that does the same thing. besides, if Microsoft was prevented from successfully implementing a similar version/feature/concept, why should as the article states, Google get to do something almost identical with no one questioning it?
What should apply for one should apply for all, but I guess it's that stupid double standard that the community has against "M$" |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | And It Starts -- "Word" BlogoSphere Invades DSLR
Too bad; we held out a very long time. Only TWO hits on a DSLR search for the neologism.
Sad... 
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PhoenixDown
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs: | Webmaster concerns?
How will this affect site owners who wish to display thier own links? Will they be overwritten?
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to B
Re: And It Starts -- "Word" BlogoSphere Invades DSLR
Trust me. I fight it right alongside using the phrase "killer app". |
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Trel
Good Evening
Premium
join:2002-10-08
Hillsborough, NJ
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Re: It's the old Microsoft Double standard...AGAIN
said by Logan 5 :Google's new "autolink" feature that's bundled in the latest beta version of the Google toolbar is a BAD idea, even if it can simply be turned off' actually it seems to be 'even if it can be turned on' so if you don't want it, don't do anything. It looks like a choice. Just like I can add a stylesheet to IE to force all links to have dotted outlines and be big 72pt font pink letters, it's not on by default. If I don't want it, I don't have to do anything. If it were on by default, I can see problems, but from what I've read, it's not. So if I do nothing, I'm not going to get these.
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Logan 5
Some people go WAY over the top
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
1 edit | reply to Logan 5
Has anyone actually downloaded the newest version of the toolbar, installed and tested the concept that it's easily disabled/turned off/etc...? |
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mallyman
join:1999-12-02
Kirkland, WA |  reply to Jmartz
Re: Google isn't Microsoft
my gawd... ms just screws up everything it touches... amazing... if they ran their company and write such bad software whey the hell are they doing so well for so long? |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Maybe I should Install the toolbar
This seems like a good reason to install the google toolbar. I like the concept, this would just save me time of having to copy and past something into google. |
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antiphishing
Phishing Scam Terminator
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join:2004-06-09
Wilkes Barre, PA
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Re: Google isn't Microsoft
said by Jmartz :I would trust Google over Microsoft any day. Microsoft manages to screw up everything and anything they touch. New VH1 Television show ,"I love google Part Deux" 
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA
1 edit | AutoLink must be turned on on EVERY page
The difference here is that Microsoft wanted to enable "smart tags" by default. To turn it off, the webmaster of the site would need to include "no smart tags please" code on each of their pages.
Google, on the other hand, has their "AutoLink" feature set up as a button (on a third party toolbar that isn't installed via any nefarious or sneaky means). When you click that button, the local copy of the page is parsed and reformatted to include the special links (addresses to Google Maps, ISBNs to Amazon, etc).
So the user needs to tell the Google toolbar for each page to show those links as they want it performed. This is very different from having the browser that controls a vast majority of market share automatically include the links as the page loads.
EDIT: One more thing. The toolbar can be configured. So if you want addresses to go to Mapquest or Yahoo Maps you can set it up to do so.
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
 ·Comcast
| Autolink gives you choices
I don't think Autolink is that terrible.
a) You can turn it off
b) You can change where it links to (Googlemap, Mapquest or Yahoo Maps).
Web page authors might not like it messing with their pages, but I don't think the end user has anything to worry about.
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reflex9
join:2004-02-09
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Re: It's the old Microsoft Double standard...AGAIN
There is no double standard. The difference is that Microsoft is an operating system monopolist and often abuses its power by including non-OS software in Windows. If Microsoft had been split into a OS company and an applications company like it was proposed a few years ago by the Justice Department, the "applications Microsoft" would be free to do the things that Google now does. |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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Re: Google isn't Microsoft
said by mallyman :write such bad software whey the hell are they doing so well for so long? Many many reasons... For example, its really hard to switch from one platform to another on a large scale.
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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Re: It's the old Microsoft Double standard...AGAIN
said by Logan 5 :What should apply for one should apply for all, but I guess it's that stupid double standard that the community has against "M$" Hasty generalization...
I'm no "M$" fanboy (note avatar) and I think this is stupid thing for Google to be doing... I certainly don't want Google to be making links to stuff that I didn't intend my page to link to on the internet.
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