AbBaZaBbA
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Wildomar, CA | ha
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | Another reason to invade Canada?
Malicious. Why not offer a class to commit to terrorism activities, too? |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
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Re: ha
I can understand this perfectly. Look at the schools for antivirus students, and other virus creators, and network security engineers. They teach you how to hack the hell out of different routers, switches, systems, everything. So that you know how to stop them in the future.
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LaserjetXX
join:2004-03-13
Waterford, MI | lolerskates
Why don't we offer a class on how to make explosives? Or a class on pickpocketing? If we better understand how these work we'll be able to stop them! |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Plenty SPAM examples; should just teach stop SPAM
There are plenty of already written samples of SPAM generating code and viruses out there in the wild that can be used in the course. They should spend their time learning how to stop it and not how to write it. It is possible to teach that without making the students proficient hackers first.
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oliphant
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| What's the big deal...
Besides, you will never be able to control spamming unless you understand completely how it works so that anti-spam programmers are in the mindset of 'if I were a spammer'. The key is to foresee future spam techniques BEFORE actual spammers do. Without such classes and stuff anti-spam will always be a corrective action rather than a preventive action.
Someone made the comment about terrorism. Think about it...CT analysts at the FBI and CIA are constantly drilled to think like terrorists so they can understand their mindset and thus think of ways to kill Americans as terrorists do, hopefully before the terrorists themselves think of it. Of course not with the purpose of doing so, but with the purpose of stopping it or blocking it.
On the other hand, it's also legal to spam. It's not a bombmaking class. I'm wondering if 1/2 the people complaining about the spam class put up an equal protest to brewing classes. It's certainly no secret that alcohol breaks up families and is responsible for countless deaths on the highways. Certainly a worse effect than spam.
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oliphant
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Re: Plenty SPAM examples; should just teach stop SPAM
It's not about stopping yesterdays spamming methods. It's about stopping tomorrows. Only when someone is profecient on doing it themselves do they start to think out of the box so that proactive measures can be created to stop new types of spamming before it even starts.
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oliphant
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Re: lolerskates
Bomb making is illegal. Spam isn't. And you don't think in law enforcement circles they don't teach how bombs are made, how they work so that bomb squad personnel understand what they're looking at even if that particular bomb configuration has never been seen or come across bomb making materials? You can't diffuse a bomb unless you know how it works. And you can't understand how one works unless you can make one if given the parts.
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Nightshade
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Salem, OR | reply to technick
Re: ha
I dunno. I have a bad feeling nothing good will come of it.
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LaserjetXX
join:2004-03-13
Waterford, MI
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You don't have to analyze every little thing that someone compares it to. Spam itself may be legal, but in it's unsolicited form, the form you see it in most of the time it is. How many people do you know jump at the chance to get on a mailing list for enlarging your penis, refinancing your house, etc? |
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Persona
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join:2004-07-07
Gravenhurst, ON
| the media
I laughed out loud at the media feeling the need, at the end of the article, to explain the great security lengths the university will be going to - to protect the people.
You'd swear they were talking about a Level 4 BioHazard Lab.
Perhaps it should be listed as a business course? |
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rshoch
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Santa Ana, CA | Top Gun
This class reminds me of the elite training given to the best of the best. |
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Transmaster
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Cheyenne, WY
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would find this fascinating, just like learning how to write viruses. When the forums here devoted to malware discuss and even post the codes it is so interesting for me to read their critique of how the code is written, Learned bunches
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Mike
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
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Re: lolerskates
said by LaserjetXX  :Why don't we offer a class on how to make explosives? Or a class on pickpocketing? If we better understand how these work we'll be able to stop them! So a person that has a job as a bomb diffuser with policeor FBI doesnt know how to make them?
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
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said by LaserjetXX :Why don't we offer a class on how to make explosives? They already do, it's called Chemistry 101 and 102. Any student who pays attention in Chemistry class can make a moderately effective bomb w/o much hassle.
said by LaserjetXX :Or a class on pickpocketing? They already have that too... it's called Law School.
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bokamba
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Falls Church, VA
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| Good idea, but not the best place to teach it
It's kinda risky to teach college students to do this stuff, because right now there's more money in creating and distributing spam and spyware than there is in preventing it. If these guys were guaranteed an internship at Symantec or Webroot after completing the course, the risks would be reduced. |
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
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It is about creating new spam engines
That is the thing, he will be teaching how to create new spamming engines, not how to stop ones that already exist.
I don't think it is a good approach, unless ethics are taught first.
And I doubt this professor is qualified to teach ethics.
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keith2468
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Winnipeg, MB | Becoming The Enemy
There is knowing the enemy, studying what the enemy does.
And there is becoming the enemy, doing what the enemy does.
They are becoming the enemy. |
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
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Re: Good idea, but not the best place to teach it
That is one of the things. These students are in Alberta. A Canadian province with no major AV, AT, or ASW labs.
There is enough unemployment in IT in Canada that they may turn to crime just to feed themselves and pay off their student loans.
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