ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
 ·AT&T Southwest
| Just do it
C'mon Lafy -- let's do it now. |
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
Premium
join:2003-01-25
| How can it be any clearer?
Chicken sh*ts.....
"We don't want to provide it because you're not worth it to our shareholders. But you can't fix the problem yourselves either. That wouldn't be fair to us."
Love,
Your Friends at BellSouth (otherwise know as BS).
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LafayetteIT
join:2004-06-02
Lafayette, LA
| This is BS.
As a resident of Lafayette I would like to say to any Bellsouth representative/employee that reads these posts this....
Please stop trying to decide what’s best for our community based on your own profit margins. IF we were satisfied with the services you were offering us this wouldn’t be happening. But no you push back upgrades or don’t do them at all. We still have large amounts of the city is on DSL black out and you consistently screw us on our bills. I for one am personally glad I have canceled all service with your company just so I can feel better that my money has not been used to try and keep my city in the dark ages.
Pulling this after your big cooperation PR love fest has got to be one of the lowest things you company could have done and you should be ashamed to work for them.
Love,
A Citizen of Lafayette. |
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toeknee75
join:2005-01-26
Lafayette, LA
| reply to batageek
Cox/BS = BULLYs
Bellsouth promised the people of Lafayette DSL/ADSL by the end of 1999. 6 Years later my part of town, Eraste Landry still does not have DSL. The best connection rate Bellsouth could offer me for my area was a whopping 28.8 dialup for 20 bucks a month. Funny thing is Cox Comm. is able to provide me Highspeed via cable.
I would love to see the city get into the market. At least would we see an even deployment of technology throughout the city and not just certain areas. |
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exocet_cm
In memory of dadkins
Premium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
clubs:  
 ·Cox HSI
·Suddenlink
 ·Cingular Wireless
·AT&T Southeast
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to LafayetteIT
Re: This is BS.
said by LafayetteIT  :As a resident of Lafayette I would like to say to any Bellsouth representative/employee that reads these posts this.... Please stop trying to decide what’s best for our community based on your own profit margins. IF we were satisfied with the services you were offering us this wouldn’t be happening. But no you push back upgrades or don’t do them at all. We still have large amounts of the city is on DSL black out and you consistently screw us on our bills. I for one am personally glad I have canceled all service with your company just so I can feel better that my money has not been used to try and keep my city in the dark ages. Pulling this after your big cooperation PR love fest has got to be one of the lowest things you company could have done and you should be ashamed to work for them. Love, A Citizen of Lafayette. When I lived in Lafayette BellSouth was BullSh*t!
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Octopussy2
Premium
join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| reply to LafayetteIT
.....But Bellsouth won't stop the garbage. They won't stop the low blows. And Cox has joined them in the lawsuit. This is all too familiar and I am getting flashbacks »www.tricitybroadband.com. A cable co. and Bell joining together to fight a muni from providing their residents with a CHOICE for services.
In 2003's referendum in the Tri-Cities SBC trucks drove around with "Don't gamble with our tax dollars" signs on them courtesy of Comcast. Politics and money make strange bedfellows.
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to LafayetteIT
It is amusing that residents think Bellsouth, their resident ILEC, is spending money on infrastructure in their city. I guess this is just another ignorance is bliss situation.
I really wonder what folks would do in the United States if the ILECs all closed up shop. I also hope that the Lafayette folks are able to watchdog their elected officials as well as the SEC watches publically traded companies.
Best of luck to all of you. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
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Re: How can it be any clearer?
I think both are playing the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. Why should the cable/telco operators continue to copperate if the city went around behind them to cintinue with their previous efforts to circumvent the franchises?
To me, it sounds like Bellsouth reacted to the city of Lafayette no wishing to accept cooperation and continued with their efforts to raise money for their own network.
Hope none of the people in Lafayette are stockholders in Bellsouth, or hanve funds based in part on them. I also hope the city officials have trained and qualified people, both technical and administrative, to handle a wid-area network. Y'all did check that out during those elections, right!?!  |
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Finally....
Organize and GO FOR IT LAFAYETTE! I have been waiting to see this happen for a long time. I hope the citizens will get organized, get some lawyers to do some pro-bono work. Huge publiicty for them anyways beating the telcos. This could be the shot heard across the country.
The 'people vs corp america' should be the headlines. Fight back by all means possible, not just court room. Best non-lethal weapon is a laptop loaded with Knoppix-STD, an Orinoco Gold card, and high db antenna. You can be blocks away from any target, ooops I mean AP. Go to local spy shops and browse the goodies at your disposal. I wonder what the BS execs have to say in the privacy of their home. Organize, organize, organize and you WILL win this first battle. |
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MonkeyPox4
join:2004-12-21
Lafayette, LA
| reply to toeknee75
Re: Cox/BS = BULLYs
I live by OLOL, and that's the ONLY reason my neighborhood has DSL. I cut the cord with BS last March, went cellular & cablemodem through Cox, not that they're any better. The second LUS runs FTTH, I'll sign up.
I know this is a flawed analogy, but every time I've had an issue with utilities, LUS service has been quick, courteous & professional. I had my water meter fail last year, flooding my yard. 1 call to LUS, and the truck was there in less than 20 minutes. They fixed the leak and gave me nearly $100 in credit for the wasted water. Last time I had to contact BS, it took them 1 week, 6 phone calls & 3 truck rolls to correct a problem I had diagnosed before I called.
BS doesn't care about running high-speed to residential customers. All they care about is the profit margin from their commercial high-speed accounts. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to LafayetteIT
Re: This is BS.
said by LafayetteIT :A Citizen of Lafayette. Dear Citizen,
We don't care what you think of us, it's our way or the highway. Thanks to our friends in the FCC and state and federal legislatures, we have our monopoly back and can do anything we want. If you don't like it, go fvk yourself.
Sincerely,
BellSouth
Disclaimer: this is a simulated response and did not come from a real BellSouth employee. However, it is believed that if an honest response were provided by BS, it would be something like the above. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to ColdFiltered
said by ColdFiltered :I really wonder what folks would do in the United States if the ILECs all closed up shop. that would be wonderful. without the drag of these dinosaurs we would have a chance of catching up to the rest of the world leaders in broadband. |
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Octopussy2
Premium
join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| reply to ColdFiltered
Do you really think the ILECs are just going to close up shop? With the wholesale line rate increases they have been ramming through in states everywhere competition for any local service is drying up and packing it in. They are consolidating and becoming more and more powerful.
Look, since ILECs like SBC and Bellsouth want to cherry pick and only serve medium income and high income markets when/if they upgrade networks in an area somewhere at some time near you (maybe 5 or 10 years from now), what gives them any right to fight communities who are trying to provide vital infrastructure for their residents and businesses as a choice for services? Why should any community be beholden to a Bell or a cable company and have to get their permission to do anything?
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | reply to nasadude
This is NVTS "nuts" thats right NVTS "nuts".
Flushls |
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LafayetteIT
join:2004-06-02
Lafayette, LA
| reply to nasadude
quote:
Dear Citizen,
We don't care what you think of us, it's our way or the highway. Thanks to our friends in the FCC and state and federal legislatures, we have our monopoly back and can do anything we want. If you don't like it, go fvk yourself.
Sincerely,
BellSouth
Disclaimer: this is a simulated response and did not come from a real BellSouth employee. However, it is believed that if an honest response were provided by BS, it would be something like the above.
Oh I have no delusions that this post will actually matter more then to have me feel better. I goto the city council meetings and know as much as anyone else about the project at this point. The local BS people have heard my voice before already. It's reaching out to people like you and others that post here that truely matters at this point. Letting the rest of country know what is going on here is my goal. Well that and getting hired onto the project  . If you work for LUS email me. LafayetteIT@gmail.com |
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the niTz
Premium
join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ | hope
i hope they beat cox and BS and make a fiber wan power to them, i wish my area would do something like this but they would probably get paid out faster then they could say yes |
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:
1 edit | reply to ColdFiltered
Re: How can it be any clearer?
said by ColdFiltered :To me, it sounds like Bellsouth reacted to the city of Lafayette no wishing to accept cooperation and continued with their efforts to raise money for their own network. Don't think so, otherwise there would be a mention of it by BS. This seems more like a case of BS right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing, or chosing to ignore it.
said by ColdFiltered :Hope none of the people in Lafayette are stockholders in Bellsouth, or hanve funds based in part on them. I also hope the city officials have trained and qualified people, both technical and administrative, to handle a wid-area network. Y'all did check that out during those elections, right!?! Do you honestly think the city officials are going to be the network admins???
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to nasadude
Re: This is BS.
said by nasadude : said by ColdFiltered :I really wonder what folks would do in the United States if the ILECs all closed up shop. that would be wonderful. without the drag of these dinosaurs we would have a chance of catching up to the rest of the world leaders in broadband. I'm not following you, here. There is no law, federal or otherwise, preventing an entrepeneur from spending billions of dollars on their wholely owned and operated network, and in turn kissing off any competition from trying to access it.
Octopussy2: I never suggested they would, but I can 'imagine'. Let's all pretend that instead of a day without Mexicans (remember that movie?), what it would be like if one day all ILECs shut down service, lock stock and barrel, for a day.
I would necessarily say these companies are cherry picking. I see quite a few neighborhoods in my area in low-income homes, apartments, etc. that are being served. The majority of the fiber, DSL muxes, ATM switches, and entire data core came after the divestiture, not before.
Both the major cable companies and LECs (both RBOCs and non-RBOCs) spent billions during the late 1990's and into about 2002 until the tech economy fell out. As a stockholder, this is evident in the billions of dollars that were spent. Yet, this get's ignored, or worse its porttrayed as assets that were in existence prior to the bell divestiture.
And the spend, while haven been relaxed the past two years due to the economy and product acceptance slowdown (as a result of the overall economy), the future is a completely new network by most of the RBOCs as they expand their offersing in products and services to better compete with the cable and satellite industries.
As a result, major networks are being deployed, not revised or updated. Can you imagine the cost involved with deploying several hundred edge routers along with several thousand next-generation brodband muxes? We are not talking a measely $125 Million in investment, but rather something much, much larger.
And if the RBOCs and cable companies are so bad then why do so, so many support them, but as subscriber and as stockholder? There are pleny of unbound solutions for CLECs and Muni's can use, and as always its a commonsense thing for a city resident to deduce in whether or not the ILECs and Cableco's are telling the truth or not.
Not suggesting one is any more wrong/right than the other, but trying to look at things objectively, from a particular frame of reference. BTW, how much do you think the RBOCs will spend in the next 2-4 years on IPTV in order to compete with the cable and satellite industries?
So, yea, they may be looking at the $/port, but if they focued only on middle and upper class cherries you are kidding yourself. The bulk of the population in number of hoursholds is not in line with your point. Personally, I look to the future.
And keep in mind there were failed instances of Muni brodband, as well as successes. All I want is that the people paying for network X to realize this. Marietta, Georgia was one such failure, and wasn't ILEC intervention. |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to jhboricua
Re: How can it be any clearer?
said by jhboricua : said by ColdFiltered :To me, it sounds like Bellsouth reacted to the city of Lafayette no wishing to accept cooperation and continued with their efforts to raise money for their own network. Don't think so, otherwise there would be a mention of it by BS. This seems more like a case of BS right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing, or chosing to ignore it.
said by ColdFiltered :Hope none of the people in Lafayette are stockholders in Bellsouth, or hanve funds based in part on them. I also hope the city officials have trained and qualified people, both technical and administrative, to handle a wid-area network. Y'all did check that out during those elections, right!?! Do you honestly think the city officials are going to be the network admins???
Of course not, but maybe someone brother or cousin.  Point to the evidence where every muni endeavor came out a success. Marietta, Georgia failed, but that was because of poor administration in finances with an acute money-pocketing condition. |
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Daarken
Rara Avises
join:2005-01-12
Cajun Countr
·Cox HSI
·Suddenlink
| Wolf in the Bayou - Typical
I grew up in Lafayette, LA. and yes, I can definately agree with them about BellSouth and thier lack of care for us the customers.
Cox on the otherhand, is a little better, but for the most part its a corporation that is out to make money over people and charge alot for nothing.
And hello to you my old friend ToeNee. |
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