navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | So?
Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. |
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Derch
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Tulsa, OK | Cuba
Is this the same thing as the American embargo against Cuba? |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to navalpatel
Re: So?
The problem is many students and bloggers there are Pro-West, and by terminating contracts with outside ISP's that don't filter content, you're in essence silencing some bloggers from inside the country who would otherwise support Western causes. |
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
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People seem to have forgottenthe history of the Internet and the fact it was created by the U.S. Department of Defense. |
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aSic
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Wakulla, FL
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It hasnt been our internet for many years now.
The issue now is if we (the US) keep doing stuff like this, it wouldnt surprise me in a few years that the rest of the world just up and "cuts us off" for something similar. :/
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Thaler
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However, if I remember my history correctly, the US military has fully backed out of the internet (aside from accessing webpages at computer terminals) and it lies fully in the domain of civilian use.
Now, wiether or not it's been passed onto UN control, or made into global ownership however, is up to debate. |
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woody7
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said by navalpatel  :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. It's not "our" internet, ours only extends to our physical borders.....and shutting someone down is not a power tool, it is blunt force
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Nerdtalker
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Tucson, AZ
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said by navalpatel :Its our internet, we should by all means use it as a political power tool as well. I agree. I'm still wondering why all the islamo-fascist websites that aired the beheading videos weren't DDOS'ed seconds after their releases.
Granted, I'm amazed and appalled at a lot of stuff.
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TKJunkMail
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2 edits |  Facts don't support allegations yet
No facts have been brought to light that the ISP has cut off Iranian server at US Gov't request. The Iranian Student News Agency said no explanation had been given by the server, called The Planet, for its abrupt move to terminate the contract. And if they did make a request, the ISP has the right to challenge that in court. Right now these are mere allegations and nothing else. Lets wait for facts before making accusations. Maybe the ISP wasn't getting paid?
Oh, and I get a kick out of the Iranian gov't employee claiming internet access is a Human Rights issue.
A senior official in the Iranian ministry of Islamic guidance, which handles the media, accused the US government of breaching human rights by allegedly ordering the move. This is the same Iranian department that shuts down all press in Iran that questions the mullahs godlike authority.
And even if the US Gov't has asked ISP's to stop doing business with IRAN, then that is because IRAN is on a list of terrorist countries no US company is to be doing business with.
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
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Re: So?
"A senior official in the Iranian ministry of Islamic guidance, which handles the media, accused the US government of breaching human rights by allegedly ordering the move..."
OH my, that was a tad dramatic! One would think we've gone and dumped our septic waste in their drinking water... I'm not too bright about business and contracts, but I'm assuming since the US is providing host service then they have the reserve to deny or refuse service. I'd like to think of it as this: if I committed some sort of infraction against my ISP or Web-hosting company, like say, not paying my bills then should I expect the service to be stopped? What can be said of BOMBING the country of that company? |
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DaSneaky1D
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I wonder how useful "our internet" would be if it wasn't for a certain Finnish programmer? Or how useful it would be if other worldwide contributors were denied access to "our internet"?
And I thought China had a closed mind about things.
Now, if the country a business mainly operates in is told by that government to do something, that is one thing...but this has nothing to do with who the "Internet" supposedly belongs to.
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exocet_cm
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| reply to Derch
Re: Cuba
I don't think so. With cuba all trade is stopped, with this situation, only the website hosting has been denied not transactions with the country.
If everybody goes to the godaddy.com website and would read their statement there might be some light shed on the situation.
"The U.S. Department of State has declared the governments of these states to be sponsors of international terrorism."
Iran being one of them. The US Host did let the website know in advance AND the website moved their operation already...
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| US law...
US Law bars financial transactions with a handful of countries. Libya was recently removed from that list but North Korea and Iran are still on that list. What this law means is that you cannot do any business with any company or organization based in those countries. This includes hosting their website. This is nothing new people. Let the Iranian company find some hosting in europe. |
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oldhand
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join:2003-05-16
Saugus, MA
| Dumb move?
This seems like a dumb move on the part of the U.S. government. In addition to creating worldwide PR problems, it also pushes the servers off-shore, which probably means that they would have a harder time monitoring the traffic if they ever found a valid national-security reason to do so. |
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: So?
You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of")
Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. |
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DonLibes
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join:2003-01-19
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Re: Facts don't support allegations yet
said by TKJunkMail :No facts have been brought to light that the ISP has cut off Iranian server at US Gov't request. But the link in the article above to the GoDaddy announcement suggests that GoDaddy (at least) will not do business with such countries and that their action is obligated by their interpretation of US Govt policy. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by DonLibes :But the link in the article above to the GoDaddy announcement suggests that GoDaddy (at least) will not do business with such countries and that their action is obligated by their interpretation of US Govt policy. If that is the case, too bad for the Iranians. I am sure France will be more than willing to host terrorist governments web sites. |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
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said by TKJunkMail :Oh, and I get a kick out of the Iranian gov't employee claiming internet access is a Human Rights issue. A senior official in the Iranian ministry of Islamic guidance, which handles the media, accused the US government of breaching human rights by allegedly ordering the move. Isn't that just the best? Iranian Melodrama at it's best.  |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
| reply to Thaler
Re: So?
TEAM AMERICA, F@CK YOU....good times :) |
said by Thaler :You're also talking about a country where we go and "liberate" those who we feel are oppressed. (just that you might have to replace "liberate" with "blow the s*** out of") Diplomacy isn't exactly looking like our strong suit these days. *singing theme* Team America, F*ck You!!!  |
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Anonymous
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US Gov is becoming more and more like it's enemies. I hope the world will draw a line somwehere...
Hitler thought he can fight the rest of the world but he was wrong and he learned that lesson the hard way, I hope we will learn it some other way...
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