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4 edits |  Irrelevant; Old news;Then why post it here?
If this news is irrelevant and old news, then why is it being headlined here?
Maybe just another attack on the lawful US surveillance of criminals and terrorists by those who would like to see us at their mercy.
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Fleeting | Because if you actually read the article (instead of knee-jerk post to spam your blog) it's about the hardware and legal changes that have superseded Carnivore. |
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must be a really slow day for news considering G. W. Bush is doin' his thing today 
Although, it's gonna be interesting to see what the EFF comes up with as it relates to data from the filing of the FIA. |
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said by TKJunkMail  :If this news is irrelevant and old news, then why is it being headlined here? Maybe just another attack on the lawful US surveillance of criminals and terrorists by those who would like to see us at their mercy. I think you missed his point. I want to see terrorism quelled around the globe as much as anyone, but this is one issue in which I'm with the left. Are we to simply trust that our government will not use personal information gathered through the Patriot Act for illegal means? It is important to remember that this isn't our elected officials utilizing this information, but intelligence and law enforcement agencies staffed by people who actively seek their employment.
Consider this.
Terrorists have already managed to topple two of the most prominent features of any American cityscape through lawful use of flight schools and lawful purchase of airline tickets. How plausible, if not admittedly difficult and improbable, would it be for a terrorist to gain employment in one of these agencies? Would not the Patriot Act become a dangerous weapon to be used against us?
We should always be weary about giving our government permissions that we wouldn't give another private citizen. It is these private citizens who go to work everyday to protect us. If there are but a few bad apples among them, God help us all.
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1 edit | I don't even see it as a Partisan issue, personally. Carnivore was developed under Clinton; Patriot Act under Bush. It's simply a human issue. If one gets technical, you could say it's a Conservative issue since they believe in less government intrusion and smaller government. I see many people who suffer from partisan think disease "poo-poo" the issue. We need more enlightened thinking than that. |
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1 edit | I don't see how indicating that I agree with the liberals on an issue is inciting partisan politics. You sound as if you discount my entire argument just because I used political affiliations to make my point.
The truth of that matter is that you're absolutely right correct. But there will invariably be groups of people who associate with each other who share similar beliefs. Those people aren't "unenlightened," they simply want to be heard.
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Our company implemented calea to be compliant a while back and it has never been used by any agency.
rumor is that law enforcement is not ready for calea. |
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Re: Irrelevant; Old news;Then why post it here?
The story is relevant and posted here because it's important to realize that unchecked, unconstitutional surveillance of this type continues--- despite "Carnivore" being "dead." |
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Sorry, I was referring more to the first poster, who seems to immediately engage in partisan (defend GWB policy at all cost) punditry with mindless rhetoric about how people who'd criticize US surveillance policies must want to see the country "at the terrorist's mercy"....
That's small thinking. |
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said by yock :I don't see how indicating that I agree with the liberals on an issue is inciting Parisian politics. Who cares about about the political leanings of the citizens of Paris?
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I noticed that a large amount of 'first posts' come from TKJunkMail too. It is also strange because they all seem to be 'edited' a few minutes after they are posted. And why does one need to use tinyurl to post a link to the Red Room? 
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said by nixen : said by yock :I don't see how indicating that I agree with the liberals on an issue is inciting Parisian politics. Who cares about about the political leanings of the citizens of Paris? -tom I was wondering why the hell spell checker capitalized it....=)
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Um... you sure you can think let alone say something like this publicly?? considering all the hush-hush about anything revolving around the patriot act?
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Re: Irrelevant; Old news;Then why post it here?
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I think you missed his point. I want to see terrorism quelled around the globe as much as anyone, but this is one issue in which I'm with the left. Are we to simply trust that our government will not use personal information gathered through the Patriot Act for illegal means?
You'll also notice that it's "the left" that is also notorious for concocting long-winded conspiracy theories non-stop (my favorite being Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy" theory). And what, might I ask, makes you so important as to think that Uncle Sam would actually want to waste time, money and resources just to make your life a living hell? Seems like a lot of people that get all uptight about online "privacy" (doesn't exist -- any hacker can install a packet listener on any network, as long as they have access to at least one compromised machine on the subnet) have serious cases of narcissism. |
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How plausible, if not admittedly difficult and improbable, would it be for a terrorist to gain employment in one of these agencies?
Probably highly unlikely. They'd probably have to pass at least one (probably multiple) lie detector tests before even being considered. Contrary to what many think, intelligence agencies aren't run like "CTU" on 24. |
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this story has incorrect data. About 6 months ago the part of the patriot act that allowed fbi warrantless data requests and disallowed client notification for isps was overturned by the supreme court.
Therefore this entire story is irrelevant. |
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They've got these systems installed everywhere. What makes people think that it is "dead"?
Certainly there have to be some people out there that know the truth. |
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Minister "..If one gets technical, you could say it's a Conservative issue since they believe in less government intrusion and smaller government. I see many people who suffer from partisan think disease "poo-poo" the issue. We need more enlightened thinking than that." I admit im a little slow. But explain to me how the creation of the Homeland Security, National Intelligence Centers, other cabinet level spys and draconian laws like 'Patriot' Act are an example of conservatives wanting "less government intrusion and smaller government." ??
All of these were created under the Bush Administration. |
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