electric_dsl
join:2004-07-20
Pickering, ON | old
It mus be a very slow day when you guys start posting badly spelt letters to the editor.
not to mention i think we have all seen why bpl is retarded.
my day is already boring enough! |
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dg2
Premium
join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR
 ·Cox HSI
| What was he reading?
I have found BBR and Karl to be pretty objective regarding BPL, presenting both sides of the issue. Clearly there are still concerns with the technology, particularly from an interference standpoint but also with other cost and operational issues.
While BPL may prove viable, it's hardly the cure-all it was once presented to be.
Good work BBR and Karl Bode. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
|  Good Rebuttal
...considering the poster was the ever famous "anonymous". Geesh, if you haven't got the guts to stand behind your statements, why bother crawling out of your troll cave?
BPL is not ready, nor is it likely to ever be ready, for primetime in its current form. The only promising form that has been talked about to date uses microwave frequencies instead of HF.
Frankly if the anonymous poster is complaining because he can't get broadband where he lives then let me humbly suggest the following: MOVE!
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AbBaZaBbA
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA | at least
at least it'll provide some more competition to the cable/dsl companies if it ever gets off the ground. That can't hurt. |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| said by AbBaZaBbA  :at least it'll provide some more competition to the cable/dsl companies if it ever gets off the ground. That can't hurt. How? It's slower. It has to be repeated more often. It has huge interference issues. It doesn't scale as well as the other solutions....
Fiber is the answer, folks. In the meantime, the best alternatives are from the cableco/telco and similar entities. |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23 | Competition is good
but BPL may screw up things that work well now. |
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jporter07
join:2004-03-22
Mobile, AL | I predict
A flame war. |
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA
| reply to AbBaZaBbA
Re: at least
said by AbBaZaBbA :at least it'll provide some more competition to the cable/dsl companies if it ever gets off the ground. That can't hurt. Can't hurt? - I disagree! While competition is good, making a failed, disruptive, intrusive technology the basis of that competition is just plain wrong. |
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dg2
Premium
join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR
·Cox HSI
| reply to n2jtx
Re: Good Rebuttal
From what little I know about the technology, I think it's doubtful that it will bring broadband to unserved areas. If you can't economically justify putting repeaters (RTs) on existing telephone lines, I doubt you will be able to economically justify putting BPL repeaters on existing power lines. Unless there's a big cost differential between RTs and BPL repeaters... |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Obviously the writer knows nothing about BPL
He states we need BPL to catch up with other countries offered speeds...Perhaps he should take a trip to a large portion of the eastern hemisphere such as England, France, UK, Scotland, Ireland, etc, etc all have speeds that are equal to or slower then MOST US providers...
Perhaps he should read about how BPL does not offer fast speeds and in fact data rates far slower then most of the current Cable/DSL ISP's...
Perhaps he should state why in gods name he thinks a technology that isn't liked in the industry is magically going to be deployed and have 33% of broadband users switching to use it...
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NetEng_Dude
join:2004-07-17
| BPL no sense, no substance
Proprietary, low performance, based on unsound engineering, a proven spectrum polluter, failed trials, ice cold reception from Wall Street and most of the power industry, etc.
It does not appear to be going well at all for the BPL hypsters. Reality has not dealt them a kind hand.
Say no thanks to BPL. There are too many exciting developments in the world of real next generation broadband including ADSL2+, DOCSIS, 802.16 (WiMAX), 802.20, Fiber To The Home (FTTH), etc. |
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DrStrange
Technically feasible
Premium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
 ·Stephouse Networks
 ·magicjack.com
·EarthLink
| Dear Mr. Powell
Greetings, Mr. Powell!
So glad you took time from your busy schedule to drop us a line. Although we may have our political differences, I'd like to wish you and yours the very best Solstice and New Year.
-Regards
DrStrange
As-tro-turf. Can You say 'astroturf'? I knew you could! |
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David803sc
Premium
join:2001-02-22
Charleston, SC
| We don't need no stinking BPL. first of all the technology causes interference, its true it does. not only to Amateur Radio Operators, but to public safety, CB and commercial shortwave broadcasters just to name a few. But do we believe the power companies care? they don't, they see another way to make some money its pure greed at the expense of many others.
And their B#$%S#$% about how it will improve the power grid, they will have to run fiber to remote nodes, than inject the signal on the last mile, so that argument doesn't fly they wont make any improvements to main transmission lines for BPL.
Rural America? another ridiculas argument, again becuase they just like Cable and Telco's aren't going to pay the big bucks to build the fiber backbones needed out in these rural areas, just look at where they been testing it and where they have announced future plans, NYC, Raleigh, NC Charlotte NC just to name a few, all places where there is plenty of Cable and DSL, I dont see one BPL trials in any area that is not currently serviced by another Broadband provider.
and has the Editior pointed out look at all their failures it doesn't work andit won't work.
David |
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Daishi7
Premium
join:2002-02-24
clubs:   | reply to electric_dsl
Re: old
And nobody is going to convince me BPL is ready by bitching. If someone wants to try to argue the technical merits of BPL and why they think it should/will prevail then go right ahead. Fire away, it could make for some interesting discussion. |
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NetEng_Dude
join:2004-07-17 | Expect silence. The facts are not on the side of BPL. No independent test results to assess, just continuing distortion and exaggeration from their Sales and Legal mouthpieces about user satisfaction, number of homes passed, blah blah blah. |
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Sr Tech
Premium
join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT | reply to David803sc
Re: Dear Mr. Powell
Ditto Mr.dbeatson
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Daishi7
Premium
join:2002-02-24
clubs:
1 edit | reply to AbBaZaBbA
Re: at least
Higher frequencies have a higher rate of attenuation, the lower rate of attenuation in lower frequencies (they carry better) is the reason they are used for things like CB, short wave radio, Ham etc. Those frequencies don't require a tower on every hill to transmit.
Because of the difficulties in transmitting power over high voltage power lines, they must also be transmitted at low frequencies, and even still then many repeaters are installed to carry the signal.
Leakage from the lines in these frequencies is a disaster to things like Ham and emergency channels because of the distance those frequencies travel.
Medium voltage power lines are not even shielded wire.
Aside from destroying all these services, BPL is expensive to deploy. They still have to roll new fiber and BPL is only a last mile technology requiring a great deal of new technology and careful maintenance of the lines.
Even if BPL does see mainstream, it will never be more than a third option for people that already have a choice.
The logic that anyone with power can get BPL is not any more reasonable than the logic that anyone with a phone line can get DSL. |
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
clubs:
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to dg2
Re: What was he reading?
Hmmm don't know what site you been reading but I have yet to see an article on this site that did anything but bash BPL.
They are about as objective as the sites coverage of Microsoft, Internet Explorer, and Firefox..
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If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thru' chinks of his cavern.- Blake |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to Qumahlin
Re: Obviously the writer knows nothing about BPL
Will you stop trying to use logic?  :D:D |
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dg2
Premium
join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR
·Cox HSI
| reply to toddbs98
Re: What was he reading?
I don't find it "bashing" to point out that there are issues with the technology. Other than doing that, I have found their presentation to be right down the middle - and on a technical website I expect to see the difficulties of new technology published along with the proposed benefits. |
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