Mike
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| Who says Canada lacks balls?
What I would give to watch Michael Powell kick Brian Roberts is the crotch.... I might even ditch Direct TV for like a month..
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What this country needs is a good five dollar plasma weapon. |
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | And.. The winnner is Microsoft. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to Mike
said by Mike  :What I would give to watch Michael Powell kick Brian Roberts is the crotch.... given the way Powell lets the incumbents have whatever they want, I would more expect Powell to be doing something else to Brian's crotch |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | All SBC needs to do is deliver HD locals
and then co-develop a receiver with DISH that will take in the DSL line. SBC already has a partnership with DISH. All they really need is a way to deliver HD locals. ADSL2+ should be enough to deliver 5 HD locals and that's it. |
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rewket
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join:2003-08-21
Longueuil, QC | we dont want
more ways to get TV stations
we want more bandwitdh or better prices |
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MustardMan
join:2003-05-22
Sealand
1 edit | The numbers just don't add up.
I don't blame them for pursuing this because they pretty much have no choice if they want to remain competitive. When you look at the technical facts it just does not look very good for them though.
The MTS TV system in Manitoba uses VDSL and is only able to deliver 3 standard definition TV channels simultaneously. You gotta be within about half a mile or less of fibre otherwise the bandwidth drops right off so only about 40% of the people Manitoba's biggest city are able to subscribe currently after about a year of the start of the service. That means all rural and a lot of urban people won't be seeing it for quite some time.
Hmmmmm....3 standard TV channels that need an incredibly expensive infrastructure overhaul that will take many years using a system that uses M$ software(LOL) vs Cable that can deliver MUCH more bandwidth/services including HDTV right now with their current infrastructure to most urban and rural people!
I know who's stock I'm buying. |
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON | Heck, I'd be happy if I just get DSL. Despite being in the city, I am "too far" from the CO. Does anyone know if this new "ADSL2+" has the same distance limits?
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Simcoe
join:2004-11-29
Newmarket, ON
| reply to MustardMan
I wouldn't be surprised if Bell does have plans to combine Expressvu and VDSL together. Have Expressvu deliver the standard fare (including HDTV) and VDSL to deliver on-demand services plus other local and interactive content. The satellite receiver already plugs into the phone line, what's stopping it from being a VDSL line? |
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MTC_Wes
join:2004-04-22
Fergus, ON | The phone lines plugs into a dial up modem (in the receiver) DSL modems are a completely different animal.. So to answer your question "what's stopping it from being a VDSL line": The lack of a DSL modem or a Ethernet Adaptor for that matter. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
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join:2001-03-29
Canada | reply to Simcoe
That's what the VDSL service is: ExpressVu, Wireline and Sympatico all through one box (no sat dish required).
About 150 MDU's have it already, so no dish has to be installed. And 30 single home's are on the trial now also. |
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N3OGH
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | reply to nasadude
Re: Who says Canada lacks balls?
You said crotch..
hu huh huhuhuhuh
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Again, sorry..... |
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staticx57
join:2002-01-24
Toms River, NJ
clubs: | reply to rewket
Re: we dont want
both |
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MustardMan
join:2003-05-22
Sealand
| reply to hurleyp
Re: The numbers just don't add up.
said by hurleyp :Heck, I'd be happy if I just get DSL. Despite being in the city, I am "too far" from the CO. Does anyone know if this new "ADSL2+" has the same distance limits? Copper is copper. The higher speed you want the less distance you can go. They are coming out with more efficient data compression/modulation but you can only do so much and you still have hard signal to noise limits you can't go below.
For ADSL you need to be within about 3miles of a CO or fiber/T1 termination. ADSL2+ is about twice the speed of ADSL so you need to be between 1 and 2 miles away. VDSL is currently about 16times faster than ADSL downloading with a theoretical limit of about 32 times faster. For 16times faster you need to be less than 1/2 mile from a CO or fiber/T1 termination. Practically speaking, they probably don't want to be beyond 1000feet. These are wire distances not as the bird flies distances. You may only be 1/2 mile from the CO but the wire distance could be 1 mile or more. |
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Sean
join:2004-01-23
Ottawa | Great.
What's great about this is at the same time it gives them the ability to upgrade internet speed without the worry of distance anymore (fibre to the node... how far can you possible be?). |
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to MustardMan
Re: The numbers just don't add up.
Well, I'm just over 5km from the CO. Now that's based on the most recent measurement, which was almost 2 years ago. Having had first-hand experience with these matters, it's entirely possible that I'm a different distance today. Regardless, it still looks like I'll be "too far" even for ADSL2+.  |
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MustardMan
join:2003-05-22
Sealand
| reply to Sean
Re: Great.
said by Sean :What's great about this is at the same time it gives them the ability to upgrade internet speed without the worry of distance anymore (fibre to the node... how far can you possible be?). Huh?
Distance is EVERYTHING! That is their achillies heel.
Fibre is extremely expensive. Relatively few people, mostly concentrated in downtown areas of large cites, are close enough to it for VDSL to be practical. It is not the sort of infrastructure upgrade that comes quickly or cheaply either. |
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