Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY
 ·VoicePulse
1 edit | It's still DDOS
Just because they don't completely overwhelm the server doesn't mean it's not a distributed attack.
I think Lycos is going to make quite a few enemies that have quite a bit of money to invest in blackhat counterattacks.
Edit: Don't get me wrong I don't like spammers, but this is most likely doomed to backfire. |
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GTaylor
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join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
clubs: | Hmmm, this sounds familiar
Spamvampire anyone? Only just like with spamvampire a spammer can just as easily point the DNS elsewhere, say...FBI.com?
Good thought, but bad idea... |
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tdkyo
join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | Hmmm bandwidth?
So we are helping to slow down the spam servers with our bandwidth? I don't trust Lycos to decide what is spam "server" and what is not. They might hurt innocent servers that might look spam servers. Dunno on this topic. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | You don't fight abuse WITH abuse
Spammers are criminal scumbags, and it's tempting to take revenge on them by using an application such as this, but when you do . . . the only thing you've accomplished is to lower yourself to their level. |
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY | reply to tdkyo
Re: Hmmm bandwidth?
You can report a spam url via their website and they will start a DDOS on it (hopefully after some sort of investigation.) |
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Optimized
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join:2001-05-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
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1 edit | reply to tdkyo
said by tdkyo  :So we are helping to slow down the spam servers with our bandwidth? I don't trust Lycos to decide what is spam "server" and what is not. They might hurt innocent servers that might look spam servers. Dunno on this topic. Good point ... here is another
From The Register article
"A spokesman for Lycos in Germany told The Register he believed that the tool could generate 3.4MB in traffic on a daily basis. When 10m screensavers are downloaded and used, the numbers quickly add up, to 33TB of 'useless' IP traffic. Seems Lycos may hurt not just spammers."
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Chilly likes it |
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hitman247
join:2004-05-17
Toronto
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Re: You don't fight abuse WITH abuse
You realise that there are hundreds of thousands of ppl - lets say 1 in 20 ppl who use the internet - i.e. 5% of the internet population that have no problem "stooping to their level" if it means destroying spammers.
if it meant all i had to do was snap the neck of one spammer for it to stop, i'd gladly do it to save the world billions of dollars. i'd even post my paypal id online to claim my winnings. |
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CyberSchnook6
Upon Reflection, I Do Not Wish To Post.
Premium
join:2004-11-21
| Lycos?
Didn't they go down the toilet (quality-wise, anyway) about a million years ago?
Apparently, the toilet's backed-up again.
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Tony
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join:2002-01-12
Natrona Heights, PA
| said by CyberSchnook6 :Didn't they go down the toilet (quality-wise, anyway) about a million years ago? Apparently, the toilet's backed-up again. CMU should stick to building robots.
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | Lycos the same lycose
That puts all that spyware garbage on your PC like Lycos search!! I hate them!! |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| reply to hitman247
Re: You don't fight abuse WITH abuse
The only reason that antispam legislation has gotten to the point that it has, (although it's still sorely lacking), both here in the US and most importantly, in the rest of the world (where spam is being outright banned), is because the battle has been fought without resorting to these tactics.
When spam first began showing up, if these tactics had been used, the outcry about "frea speach" and contitutional rights would have drowned out the message of the antispam community, namely the cost shifting and undue burden placed on recipients, as well as the server hijacking and out-and-out fraud perpetrated by these criminals. These outcrys, against of backdrop of abuse perpetrated by spammers and antispammers alike may well have elicited sympathy for the "legitmate bidness" of spam by our congress-critters.
As we have followed the letter of the law instead, and used a combination of technology, blacklisting, lawsuits and legislation, slowly but surely, these spammers are being backed into a corner where their tactics are morphing into bizarre caricatures of their former activities. They are resorting to blatant illegalities which is only accomplishing one thing, to bring even MORE light on their criminal activities.
Give a spammer enough rope, and they'll hang themselves . . . form a lynch mob, and we'll hang ourselves.
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Where are we going? And what's with the hand basket? |
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NelsonUSAF
join:2002-01-24
Oklahoma City, OK
|  Make Love Not Spam
It seems fair to me. They have caused me to abandon several e-mail accounts over the years, because they clog my inbox with junk e-mails (many from sites I would never dream of visiting).
They also send this junk to e-mail addresses of children. I say anything that puts these scum out of business is acceptable. |
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
Premium
join:2004-04-13
Canada | reply to vic102482
Re: Lycos the same lycose
goodbye spam, hello spy |
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nerdling301
join:2004-01-12
Brookline, MA | legality?
is this legal? this is basically an attack on their website, even if it is a spam site.
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Zombies...
Why not rent a few thousand "dedicated" zombies and DDOS the hell out of them... |
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Samwoo
join:2002-02-15
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA | reply to nerdling301
Re: legality?
Spam sites love spewing out data all over the internet...
Why not help them do that, i mean they must love getting soo many connections so that their spam can get sent out all over the place, and then into the trashcan with this software. |
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LooseCannon
join:2001-05-14
San Luis Obispo, CA | reply to ced06
Re: Zombies...
This makes sense. Reminds me of a line in Training Day, "To protect the sheep, you have to catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf." But it seems that this didnt turn out to be the best idea in the end... |
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KillEmALLRightNow
| DEATH to all SPAMMERS !
A PAINFUL SLOW DEATH to ALL SPAMMERS is the solution ! |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | reply to Googled
Re: Hmmm bandwidth?
The verify the offending server by checking RBLs and spam messages that are submitted to people who combat spam.
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SHUTUP!
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to Googled
Re: It's still DDOS
said by Googled :Just because they don't completely overwhelm the server doesn't mean it's not a distributed attack. Actually, for it to be a DDoS, there has to be some level of denial of service...
From what I've read, there is no attempt to deny service access to anyone and in another posting I saw elsewhere, they attempt to minimize how much they slow a site down...
It seems that all they are really trying to do is increase the bandwidth costs for these spammers...
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