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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	Their country is smaller Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more?
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IPPlanMan Holy Cable Modem Batman join:2000-09-20 Washington, DC	Why the apathy? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhh...... The broadband market in the US is truely hopeless.... Nobody seems to be doing much of any capital investment here. For heaven's sake, most nodes for Cable Modems or Remote DSLAMS over here have at most a DS3 running to them... sigh... Hopeless. -- Holy Cable Modem Batman!
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Maxo Your tax dollars at work. Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL clubs:	Maybe I should move over there. nihongowo chotto hanashimasu...I don't think my wife would see things my way unfortunately.:( She'll probably give me some lousy excuse about living far away from family.
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Minister join:2002-01-02 Fleeting	reply to Nerdtalker Re: Their country is smaller Yes, you do need to say more. Since that would indicate we'd at least see serious residential fiber deployments in compressed urban areas like New York City if congestion was the only obstacle.
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maartena Stacked. Premium join:2002-05-10 Orange, CA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That explains why 70% of the U.S. cannot get and will never get FTTH most likely. It does not explain why there is pretty much NO FTTH available in the entire Greater Los Angeles area which is packed up with 16 million inhabitants. You'd think they would at least be able to do SOMETHING for the 30% of the population that lives in very urbanized areas, but in reality there isn't even FTTH availabilty to even a full 1 percent of the population. Its that way in most European cities too by the way, but they are making an effort there like in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands there are projects to fiber up entire cities in the next 5 years. -- And i'm right. I'm always right, but this time I'm a little more right then I usually am.
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gatorkram Spelling and Grammer impared Premium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC clubs: ·Embarq ·linode	reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That has nothing to do with it, and frankly I am very tired of this excuse. All you have to do, is compare to two figures mentioned in the article, to see the problem. What was it, 47 Billion, vs 800 million? Yeah, the size thing must really be it. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death!
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	reply to Minister said by Minister : urban areas like New York City if congestion was the only obstacle. It might be more than congestion, it might be that the infrastructure under the streets is hard to access. Think about it, working under the streets on a massive scale in New York? Just to deliver faster bandwidth to people who already don't know how to utilize it? Doesn't sound economically sound to me. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey I'm testing Gmail's spam filters, fill it up: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam to date: 2
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lyls @tele.dk from: woody7	reply to Nerdtalker i still dont get why so many of you americans on here always defend the companies by saying "oh the us is so much better" dont you guys want fiber? let the companies know you want it...... personally id almost kill for fiber
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Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	said by lyls: i still dont get why so many of you americans on here always defend the companies by saying "oh the us is so much better" dont you guys want fiber? let the companies know you want it...... personally id almost kill for fiber Do you have fiber? I'd doubt it, especially since you're from a danish ADSL provider. I'd hardly kill for fiber. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey I'm testing Gmail's spam filters, fill it up: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com Spam to date: 2
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MxxCon join:1999-11-19 Brooklyn, NY clubs:	reply to lyls everybody and their grandma want 'phat-pipe', but as soon as we start asking for it, these corporate whores will invent even more fake taxes and surcharges. in that case it'll be cheaper to run fiber from japan:) -- [Sig removed by Administrator: Signature can not exceed 20GB]
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Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY ·Qwest.net 1 edit	chill out all of the moaning, groaning, complaining, and blaming are not going to get anyone a fiber connection at 500 gillion ghz. It is interesting to note what is going on in Japan but until we get an FCC that does things other then encouraging technology like BPL, which Japan tried and banned 5 years ago, we will see nothing like Japan. -- See the Truth! »www.stolenhonor.com/
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Anon00 Premium join:2001-09-25 USA	reply to Nerdtalker Re: Their country is smaller said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? Not to mention Japanese citizens are a lot more interested in new technologies than the average American. BBR folks need to face it, not everyone in the United States is soooo concerned about broadband. If it comes along and its cheap (and not necessarily fast), sure why not but its not a must have item. Oh and population density does matter a lot when deploying new technologies, but it isn't the only concern. To answer, then why not in New York and Los Angeles. Well folks think about the socio-economic situations in those densly-populated areas. -- "Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent." - Friedrich Nietzsche"'It's the law' is just an excuse for the unintelligent to remain that way" - Me
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DaSneaky1D one wall to block them all Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou ·Charter Pipeline	reply to Nerdtalker Uh, do you realize that the depth under NY is almost equal to its height? There is NO problem with working under NY. Besides, feeds would likely be topside. If anything, it's the mentality of people here. Japan has the understanding that IP communication (and truly converged communication) is the way of the future. These people use video communication as part of life, not a novelty of it. We're still trying to get over the VoIP hurdle. -- ] :: my trivial ramblings :: [
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY	reply to Nerdtalker have you seen a japanese urban street? you think it is easy there? they can't even run roadworks unless they are done at 1am and all plated over by 6am.
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justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY	reply to Transmaster Re: chill out why did they ban it?
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w2co join:2003-07-16 Longmont, CO	reply to Transmaster You hit that nail right on the head! Japan is showing up to be the example of "broadband how to" in this world. This is what we should've been doing 5 years ago - FIBER to every home. But no they gotta screw it up with some cheap alternative technology that's no good to begin with. When will these people learn???
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t10 join:2003-05-25 Woodbridge, ON	reply to justin said by justin : why did they ban it? mad interference, with HAM radios and other stuff in that spectrum.
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soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	reply to maartena Re: Their country is smaller This is what's I'm talking about. Random statistics that mean nothing coming from thin air.
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John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp ·CenturyLink	reply to IPPlanMan Re: Why the apathy? The question is...who is going to pay for it? I don't mean the tiny little sum that you are willing to pay per month. I mean the real costs associated with the infrastructure improvements required to provide the service. 'Investment' implies 'returns'...the question is 'are there any returns at a reasonable, responsible rate?' Let's put it another way...you pay for the installation of a fiber from your house to the CO, and then the telco will reimburse you $50 a month... How does that sound? I thought so. The reality is that a ROI analysis is performed on every installation, certainly on major infrastructure improvement jobs. If the numbers don't work (and believe me, they make generous, reasonable estimates on penetration and connection) then it is not going to happen. If you want fiber, you can have it. There is no rule or tariff that says that you can't. All you have to do is pay for it. I have a friend that wanted fiber. He paid for it. It cost $40,000 for 18 miles, and it was only that cheap because they were doing some other work that they piggy-backed his job on to. If you want to play, you gotta pay. I know this isn't the answer you are looking for... -- A is A
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soothsayer15 join:2002-03-01 Irving, TX	reply to maartena Re: Their country is smaller said by maartena : said by Nerdtalker : Well, firstly, Japan is much smaller than the US. Need I say more? That explains why 70% of the U.S. cannot get and will never get FTTH most likely. It does not explain why there is pretty much NO FTTH available in the entire Greater Los Angeles area which is packed up with 16 million inhabitants. You'd think they would at least be able to do SOMETHING for the 30% of the population that lives in very urbanized areas, but in reality there isn't even FTTH availabilty to even a full 1 percent of the population. Its that way in most European cities too by the way, but they are making an effort there like in Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands there are projects to fiber up entire cities in the next 5 years. This is what's I'm talking about. Random statistics that mean nothing coming from thin air.
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