NetEng_Dude
join:2004-07-17 | BPL is Faux Broadband
BPL is destined to be the broken-down bus blocking traffic on the information super highway. It just makes no sense for local politicos and utilities to pour taxpayer money down the drain on third-rate, proprietary Internet technology. |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs:  |  No
All it seems is like a failed dream and I rather have it come from something else then age old powerlines. |
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON | if it were out like 10 years ago when someone might care about low speeds and high latency, it might be a good idea.
DSL and cable blow it away. emerging city wide Wi-Fi is a much more worthy cause. |
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fjn026
join:2004-03-29
Lake Worth, FL
| Single point of failure?
The only thing that I would say to go against it would be that it reduces every thing to a single point of failure - especially if phone service is integrated into the mix like they're talking about doing. Here in South Florida, we've renamed the power company to Florida Flicker & Flash rather than FP&L, simply because the power goes out so often. Another issue would be with situations such as a hurricane. We were out 10 days after Frances, then 5 additional after Jeanne. I still don't know how long they were out after Ivan or Charley. That's a long time to go without being able to contact your family. |
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jwsmiths4
Part Man, Part Mac
Premium
join:2003-10-25
Savannah, GA | reply to Subaru
Re: No
No way, I don't want this interference causing waste of internet anywhere near me.... |
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rob_in_chatt
Premium
join:2004-09-17
Chattanooga, TN | reply to fjn026
Re: Single point of failure?
move the hell out of fla then |
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Go_Offline
join:2001-10-12
Surprise, AZ
| The proof is in the puddin'
Seems like a viable alternative.
I hate to say it, but from a business perspective this could mean a whole new market for AOL to invade.
Anyone have any insight/references on more technical considerations?
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ceocio
join:2004-04-16
Columbus, OH
| yeah right, it's just another study...
while I don't have the full report, It seems to me that their conclusions are based somewhat questionable assumptions.
-- "At $29.95 per month—below typical prices for internet access via cable or DSL—only 9 percent were still very interested"
Says who typical DSL price will stay this high? And says who BPL will be priced at this point? BPL might be priced at $15 or even 5. The real question is whehter BPL can have cost advantage over others, a critical question that can't be answered by surveying potential customers! The study is good to estimate the willingness to pay but is no good in determining the real competitiveness of BPL.
---"they would be even more interested if their utility offered BPL in partnership with a major internet provider.”
Yeah ISPs must be happy to hear that. I am not sure how they reached this conclusion, but it all depends on how you frame the question..I am sure they would have got a totally different response if people are made aware that partnering with major ISPs could mean higher bills...Will they still be MORE interested?
well, a study is just a study, you can debate on and on for days for their methodology and validity...but still can't resisit to point out a few of the obvious.. |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
Premium
join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA | reply to NetEng_Dude
Re: BPL is Faux Broadband
I would get it.
I can not get any decent broadband where I am.
I know 4 people who have BPL and every one of them is satisfied. 2 are gamers, one a p2p guy. |
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COmon timeWARner
@aol.com | Maybe
NO, if AOL has anything to do with it and doesnt give me a reason to change my cable meaning if the speeds are like 3dl/1up i would rip the cable off the walls and go cordless. |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | With AOL 10 Over-Optimized..
..you'll be able to fix turned out fuses with a single mouse click;)
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wolfox
Gentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| reply to Ryno
Re: BPL is Faux Broadband
And therein lies the problem. What on Earth makes you think that if the cable plant head end or the Telco's DSLaM is not wired for broadband in your neighborhood - that BPL will solve it? Where do your friends live in relation to town or city center? Where do you?
Cable and DSL have their limits too on wire distance. Especially if cable does not penetrate your neck of the sticks, BPL which costs so much more on the home to implement in wide area deployment certainly will not.
I said it before, and I will say it again - BPL is a smoke-n-mirror one dog and one pony show. People will get bored with it when it does not scale according to plan and promises and move on.
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: | reply to Subaru
Re: No
I would say something else but alot of people would take it the wrong way I think. |
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TACFogHorn
join:2004-07-28
Clayton, NC
| At least they are trying...
Yep. I'd probably buy it... I live away from the core Cable and DLS focus, so no doubt I'd want it. It would beat the only option available to me (directway). From my perspective, they are at least trying where the cable and phone co. don't want to spend anything on the outlying infrastructure. |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
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| said by TACFogHorn  :Yep. I'd probably buy it... I live away from the core Cable and DLS focus, so no doubt I'd want it. It would beat the only option available to me (directway). From my perspective, they are at least trying where the cable and phone co. don't want to spend anything on the outlying infrastructure. I would almost bet that a RDSLAM or a major cable rework would appear in your area about the time they started modifying the power lines to pass the signal down toward your house (assuming your lines can handle it).
Qwest put a RDSLAM into our area when the cable company started redoing the local plant for cable internet. Before that they had no plans officially for my area.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
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Re: yeah right, it's just another study...
said by ceocio :And says who BPL will be priced at this point? BPL might be priced at $15 or even 5. No way BPL would be $15 or less. Unless this was complete barebones connection (no email, no webspace, etc.), I wouldn't expect it to be less than DSL. Even if it were $15 for barebones, imagine paying another $15 for AOL BYOB. Back up to $30 and less of a value. |
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Mr Anon
| What would we be paying for.
I quickly skimmed the article and I didn't find a reference to the hypothetical Service's speed. 30 bucks a month for... what? Now if it was 30 bucks a month for Symentrical serivce even 1.5 I'd do it, even if the pings are hich, I'd probably run web services off of it, but for 768 or less I'd pass. A-symetrical services it would have to be at least 3.0/384 or better.
As one poster put it why do you believe BPL is the answer when you are out of reach of DSL and cable, I believe it can be because of the lack of reporting the speed and distance limitations in actual implimitation not just studies.
Eh I guess I'm just glad I live in a very well connected area (although not as good as Japan [grumble grumble]) |
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sorne guy
@milwwi.ameritech | reply to Ryno
Re: BPL is Faux Broadband
i'd buy it just to piss off all the ham operators that ramble on and on about 911 and how emergency services need them and and blah blah blah
if possible, i'd like turn up the interference, maybe with some steel rails under my lawn |
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wolfox
Gentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| What a sad, small man you must be to do things in the venue of upsetting your neighbors and precipitating angst amongst your peers. Doubly so for being anonymous. Enjoy your minuscule, heartless existence my friend...
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wolfox
Gentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| reply to Mr Anon
Re: What would we be paying for.
I vaguely remember them saying that it gave synchronous 2mb/sec speeds in one trial area. I just do not recall where it was posted, or where I picked up that bit of info more than a year ago. The length limit on it is in the neighborhood of 2000 feet on wire. Simply because the signal bleeds out of an unshielded power cable unlike shielded cable and twisted pair (Cat-3 in fact) telephone wire. Regeneration of signal after every 2k feet in every direction makes this technology slow, noisy, and excessively expensive. As users pile on the bandwidth - it slows down as "packet collisions" happen on the single wire and need to be mitigated/rebroadcast from either the CPE or head end. Adding more noise, fuss, and lowering speeds.I for one would love to see what happens when someone had a bad connection through a reflecting power/data mixing circuit...or worse, when it breaks down and puts 17KV on every outlet instead of the germane and tame 110~120v we all love and play with.
Try it all you want - you cannot polish a turd. Your fingers always will end up sticky and smelling like sh*t, and in the end - that is all you will have. 
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