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Comments on news posted 2004-10-25 13:49:20: DirecTV has announced that the company will be facing a $1.6 billion charge, since they've decided to use their "Spaceway" Ka-band satellites for HDTV and other content, and not broadband service. ..

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TKJunkMail
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High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV

High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV's internet product. The US military uses balloons/blimps in Iraq and Afghanistan for communications and surveillance. »www.boston.com/news/nation/washi···_blimps/
Industry has been examining something similar in the US for wireless communications and internet access.
»www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/6C5D···00120D7A
But that’s not to say dreams of mega-speed Web downloads are over. Challenging Proteus for sheer audacity is the Stratellite, a giant airship that uses solar powered engines to sit at about 65,000ft, beaming data over a radius of about 77,700 square kilometres — think blimp meets mobile phone tower.

The Stratellite, which has been developed by a company called Sanswire, is 74.6m long, 44.2m high, and contains nearly 37 million litres of gas. Made of Kevlar, the dirigible is powered by electric motors and held in a position determined by six GPS units. In addition to Internet data, it can be fitted for mobile phone transmission, paging, fixed wireless telephony and high definition TV broadcasts. The downside is that the Stratellite can only sustain 18 months in the air without repairs.

It’s also cumbersome, but the blimp’s advantage over satellites is that it sits much lower to the ground, so it theoretically doesn’t suffer from the same data lag problems.
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vic102482
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DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

They could easily sqeeze competetors like comcast into a pinch if they added some more value to their service like a free tivo with 2 year signup or something like that, and stopped charging for extra recievers. Latency and satellite will always be a problem, you are talking 26,000 miles round trip.
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furlonium
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Lower latency?

So would these new satellites have given customers a much lower latency, somehow? Or just faster broadband access? I'm thinking the latter; the article doesn't give much info.

DirecTV's gonna piss off a lotta people. They pull crap like this, probably knowing that most of their customers can't get any other broadband options, like DSL/Cable.


SpitefulCrow
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Well I wouldn't exactly call satellite internet "broadband"...


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It would have provided greater bandwidth:

»www.hns.com/HNS/Rooms/DisplayPag···F811F0]]

The latency problem isn't going away unless they find a way to shatter the laws of physics.


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reply to SpitefulCrow
.12 sec going up and .12 sec down, .24 sec (240ms) total... at least. Not for gamers, VOIP, VPNs and other critical latency applications.


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reply to vic102482
Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by vic102482 See Profile:

Latency and satellite will always be a problem, you are talking 26,000 miles round trip.
It's actually 22,000 miles one way, and 44,000 miles round trip. It takes about 250 milliseconds for a round trip, so considering the fact that the signal has to make two round trips for Internet access, the distance alone is adding 500 milliseconds. Then you have to include the time it takes for the data to get from the NOC to the server, and back. There's just no way of reducing the latency with geosynchronous satellites.

That being said, and me being a DirecTV customer, I was very glad to hear that they were re-purposing Spaceway to do HD.
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reply to Karl Bode
Re: Lower latency?

Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.



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said by DarkGryphon7 See Profile:

Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.


or a Flux Capacitor

joebear29

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reply to SpitefulCrow
Why not? It can have a fairly good downstream. Sure there are restrictions, but it's still broadband.

jbjetta
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the good and the bad about this

Actually, I know people who are loosing their jobs over this decision. The idea of the program was to use Ka band which is lower latency then the current satellites using along with more data throughput. Sure latency wouldn't be that great, but still Ka is lower latency frequency.

In the end I am happy they are putting the bandwidth to use by carrying HD channels, now I just hope those on the project can find other jobs at Hughs or somewhere else.

Queasy

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reply to vic102482
Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

There are a lot of things I'd like DTV to do. Freeing up these satellites for more HDTV is a start. I believe they are launching two more satellites early next year and are planning on having 1500+ HD channels available.

I'd also like for them to turn on the USB ports on the DirecTivos and enable the HMO option. I've upgraded my main DirecTivo receiver in my living room to record 160 hours but would like to share the content with the DirecTivo receiver in the bedroom.

However, since DirecTV and Tivo seem to be on the way out when their contract ends, that may be wishful thinking.


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reply to furlonium
Re: Lower latency?

said by furlonium See Profile:

DirecTV's gonna piss off a lotta people. They pull crap like this, probably knowing that most of their customers can't get any other broadband options, like DSL/Cable.
DirecTV will head in the direction of increasing profits and I'm betting that "satellite internet access" ain't it... HDTV is the future of television and this gives D* an enormous advantage.

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The latency issue makes it slower than dialup for vpn and VOIP forget it.
Then like me NLOS makes it impossible to get.
Oh and the price .....

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Re: High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV

How bout Bowel
Broadband over waterline ethernet link

Yeah thatll work

Or we country bumbkins can stick with
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Re: the good and the bad about this

The speed of light doesn't change, no matter what frequency it is oscillating.

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reply to furlonium
Re: Lower latency?

said by furlonium See Profile:

said by DarkGryphon7 See Profile:


Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.


or a Flux Capacitor
But in that case wouldn't your message arrive before it left?


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no other choice

I'm now on DSL but I was using Direcway for almost a year and I know how some people have that as their only choice. I for one, feel bad for DirecTV only using these satellites for HDTV. Customers in rural areas need a choice of a broadband like service. Sure it's no DSL or Cable and there is always going to be horrible latency but the speeds should be improved...even more so the slower than dialup uploads. Thankfully WildBlue is coming out but until consumers actually start using it then it is still just a hype. I would like more HDTV channels just like the next person I just think it should be shared for internet access as well.
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reply to Queasy
Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by Queasy See Profile:

There are a lot of things I'd like DTV to do. Freeing up these satellites for more HDTV is a start. I believe they are launching two more satellites early next year and are planning on having 1500+ HD channels available.

I'd also like for them to turn on the USB ports on the DirecTivos and enable the HMO option. I've upgraded my main DirecTivo receiver in my living room to record 160 hours but would like to share the content with the DirecTivo receiver in the bedroom.

However, since DirecTV and Tivo seem to be on the way out when their contract ends, that may be wishful thinking.
Whats going to happen to existing tivo users?
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reply to techguyga
Re: the good and the bad about this


When did the speed of light make a diffrence to a satallite frequncy? I fail to follow your somewhat skewed perception that optical carriers have anything to do with radio carriers. There are diffrent latency levels for diffrent frenquency bands and distance. Do some research into packet radio before blindly posting.
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