pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
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Manchester, CT
clubs: | RIAA vs. World
I wonder if the RIAA will come after me for all the GD I download. I can't wait to see how good (bad) their autosearch methods work with BT. I can just imagine that somewhere they will f*** up and think I'm downloading some copywrited content. |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
1 edit | Shhhhhhhhh!
Boy, the media just can't keep their mouth shut! Lol that's ok, BT wasn't built for this purpose anyway. I think that it won't be long before you see many options that will make you anonymous on the internet. |
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exocet_cm
In memory of dadkins
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join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
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| ...where people burn the music to CD then send it to you via US Mail...
It's a federal offense to open up somebody's mail (unless your the postmaster).
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SND2005
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join:2001-09-15
Im Over Here | Hahha...
I can see the RIAA office in the post office now.... |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha
Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for.
I think an enhancement to the BT system needs to be a final chunk that is sent via PGP so you can only put pieces together between trusted peers. |
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MxxCon
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Brooklyn, NY
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1 edit | bittorrent is dead, long live bittorrent ;)
have you noticed that there have been no new official client releases for quiet a while?
did you know that is because Bram Cohen is working on so called 'bittorrent2' protocol is will be significantly superior to current bt protocol. and once 'bt2' protocol is stable, it'll be included in Valve's Steam technology.
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Deceptive Presentation
CacheLogic is trying to sell something.
They really juggle the numbers in an effort to promote their product.
This is not a scientific paper but an ad and should be taken with a grain of salt.
That being said I have always felt that P2P is an incredible waste of bandwidth. |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
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join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to inteller
Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha
said by inteller  :
Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for.
Something tells me they don't care how much of the file you may be uploading, just that you are uploading the file. Technically you are guilty when the first byte leaves your computer. When the RIAA sues your ass, you can use that argument, and fail. "I was only violating copyrights a little bit"/"I only had a few drinks officer"
said by inteller :
I think an enhancement to the BT system needs to be a final chunk that is sent via PGP so you can only put pieces together between trusted peers.
Ignoring the fact that they don't care if you only share 1/2 the file or 100%, Who decides who's trusted? You? Some random person who created the torrent? Some website you find on the web?
Newsgrous, IRC, or FTP are your safest and fastest way to get what you want.
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
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Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to exocet_cm
Re: Shhhhhhhhh!
said by exocet_cm :
...where people burn the music to CD then send it to you via US Mail...
It's a federal offense to open up somebody's mail (unless your the postmaster).
Umm, what about a court order? OR what about when the person selling these things gets caught, remember all the fun the people who bought bootleg cable boxes got into when the person they bought from got caught?
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Roop
join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON
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| reply to Voyager2K2
Re: Deceptive Presentation
the riaa is not going to win like this. if it was possible to shut bt down, we'd just move to something else. the riaa needs to understant this and instead of going against the trend, they should go with it.
i mean, napster was from what? 1998-1999? it's now 2004. online piracy has only escalated. it's easier to get what you want and you download it much faster than 5 years ago. their efforts are fairly useless. if we loose bt, something better will appear. it'll be de-centralized and it may even be encrtypted. best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on. |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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Cheyenne, WY
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| reply to hitachi369
Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha
said by hitachi369 : said by inteller :
Yes, go ahead and monitor BT, this will be hilarious. Seeing as how there is no way they can prove you have the whole file they are searching at you for.
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Something tells me they don't care how much of the file you may be uploading, just that you are uploading the file. Technically you are guilty when the first byte leaves your computer. When the RIAA sues your ass, you can use that argument, and fail. "I was only violating copyrights a little bit"/"I only had a few drinks officer"
This is true, but how can they prove the bits and bytes that were leaving your computer are actual mp3's? Many torrents contain album pictures and txt files. How can the RIAA prove that you simply did not just upload the picture data? Not to mention, that the RIAA is going after super-sharers, usually torrents contains an album or two, but nothing close to 1000 songs. --
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DageonYar
join:2002-12-18
Kemptville, ON
| reply to Roop
Re: Deceptive Presentation
said by Roop : best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on. LMAO!!!! WooT! I can trust you because you're a pirate!! Weeee... Now nuthin against BT'ers and pirates in general, I just thought that line was hilarious!  |
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hitachi369
Embrace Your Rights
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join:2001-10-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to Omega
Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha
said by Omega :
This is true, but how can they prove the bits and bytes that were leaving your computer are actual mp3's?
Same way they prove that you have 1000's of mp3 in kazza. Assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.
said by Omega :
How can the RIAA prove that you simply did not just upload the picture data?
Pictures, mostlikly covers are also copyrighted. Also assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it.
said by Omega :
Not to mention, that the RIAA is going after super-sharers, usually torrents contains an album or two, but nothing close to 1000 songs.
Just wait till BT market share gets even larger, you will see them shift from other networks to BT. It is inevitable, go to where the crime is at.
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fundamentalz
The Basics
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join:2004-04-30
Moorpark, CA
|  Well...
Part of the advantage of BT is that it is extremely decentralized. The one thing that i can think of the RIAA/MPAA doing is shutting down the major trackers, but there will just be more of the smaller ones instead. By the way, Brahm Cohen has already stated that it was never his intent to have bittorrent be used for piracy, and as such he will not build security precautions into it. I dont see the death of BT for a while, however i am sure a new and much spiffier tech will come along soon enough |
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Bender_2k
join:2003-01-12
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| said by fundamentalz :Part of the advantage of BT is that it is extremely decentralized. The one thing that i can think of the RIAA/MPAA doing is shutting down the major trackers, but there will just be more of the smaller ones instead. By the way, Brahm Cohen has already stated that it was never his intent to have bittorrent be used for piracy, and as such he will not build security precautions into it. I dont see the death of BT for a while, however i am sure a new and much spiffier tech will come along soon enough I can see them trying to shut down the trackers, but ALOT of the trackers are hosted on overseas servers in countries that aren't under USA law, and in effect, aren't doing anything illegal hosting the tracker files (not that it's illegal in the USA...yet, but I can see them trying to make it illegal to cut back on piracy). |
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Trel
Good Evening
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join:2002-10-08
Hillsborough, NJ
| reply to Roop
Re: Deceptive Presentation
said by Roop : best thing to do is have a member system as well. as soon as you can trust someone (i.e, make sure they are uploading pirated data) let them on. That wouldn't work in this case since the RIAA can legally upload music as far as I know since they have the copywrite on it.
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F the RIAA
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Long live BT, I love BT!!
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down with RIAA |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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| reply to pleekmo
Re: RIAA vs. World
said by pleekmo :I wonder if the RIAA will come after me for all the GD I download. I can't wait to see how good (bad) their autosearch methods work with BT. I can just imagine that somewhere they will f*** up and think I'm downloading some copywrited content. If you haven't downloaded anything, I'm sure it won't be a problem.
It'll be easier for them to track who's dl'ing what because of the way the tracker works. Just look in the console while downloading a popular torrent.
I already use a dynamically updated IP exclusion list. I'm always amazed at the number of restricted IP's that try to connect.
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porkchops
...meh
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join:2003-05-17
Saint Marys, WV
| reply to Bender_2k
Re: Well...
quote:
I can see them trying to shut down the trackers, but ALOT of the trackers are hosted on overseas servers in countries that aren't under USA law, and in effect, aren't doing anything illegal hosting the tracker files
very true
I remember this tracker (based out of Sweden) posting their legal threats... PirateBay.Com |
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Deathsadvoca
join:2003-08-20
South Lyon, MI
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1 edit | reply to hitachi369
Re: monitor BT? hahahahahahahaha
said by hitachi369 : Same way they prove that you have 1000's of mp3 in kazza. Assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it. Pictures, most likely covers are also copyrighted. Also assumptions are great, you would have no hope in a legal case agaisnt the RIAA and they know it. Just wait till BT market share gets even larger, you will see them shift from other networks to BT. It is inevitable, go to where the crime is at. ... No they cannot tell what you are uploading, weather it be 1 file or multiple files in bit torrent easily (if you have ever seen a torrent file they usually have multiple files in one). It is very difficult to determine what a user uploads to other users. witch brings up another point, its the RIAA who has to confirm that u have the file by downloading a section of the file from you, you can argue that They were the only one to receive that data and that you did not send it to any other party. They would have to prove that you did (burden of proof is on the Prosector, However since its a non criminal case it doesent have to be Absolute proof). 2ed you can Challenge the DMCA and say that it Violates the Constitution. 3rd if you happen to own the thing ur downloading and Uploading you can state that it is legal for you to have download a copy of what you already own (then state that your not Liable for what other people do with what your uploading). About your statement "Wait for the BT market to grow" it doesent matter BT is Decentralised and they can only see what you are Downloading at a given time. So at most the MPAA will see about 16 Infractions if your downloading an album and it would take them a while to compond a list of 1000+ offenses againts you (By collecting MAC and Ip addresses Constantly from differnt Music Files being Traded). BT is Pretty safe in my book (unless ur running a tracker). |
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