techguyga
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Cumming, GA | HA!!!
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techguyga
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Cumming, GA | Seriously, though....
....I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by techguyga  :....I'll believe it when I see it.
I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement). |
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wifi4milez
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1 edit | reply to techguyga
I am all for this fiber build but I have to question the economics of it. $1200 per person, $40 per month.....hmmm lets see now.....that means it will take 30 months to break even. This must mean that they really are going to push hard for the TV services and other "value added" services becuase clearly bandwidth alone will not cover the costs let alone make a profit.
PS HURRY THE HELL UP AND GIVE ME MY FIBER!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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rjackson
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clubs: | reply to Cod
I guess it's because all the promises made in the past about fiber and other exciting new technologies that makes people skeptical. Some places are actually walking the walk, though. |
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pnh102
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| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :I am all for this fiber build but I have to question the economics of it. $1200 per person, $40 per month.....hmmm lets see now.....that means it will take 30 months to break even.
Perhaps they need to go right to ludicrous speed.
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MarkyD
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clubs: | Is this FTTP?
Is this FTTP like verizon is doing, or is it just fiber to the node? If it's FTTN, what's the use? That's what cable already has, more or less. |
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tonekilla
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1 edit | reply to wifi4milez
Re: Seriously, though....
That's the whole point of the fiber. If they wanted to use bandwidth alone, they could try to expand and strenghten their copper services. The point is for video, telephone, internet, and whatever else they can think of to be delivered into your home on the same wire from the same carrier. Therefore they can start getting $200+ a month from every house in America. You know this has the corporate leaders in the ILECs just giddy. They might even get to stamp out all that pesky competition(as if they REALLY have alot of competition).
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batageek
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join:2003-01-25 | reply to wifi4milez
at least with that type of investment, they're good for a bunch of years (20 at least) on the fiber itself. Maybe it's worth the 30 months.......
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
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quote:
I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement).
You applaud when the job is done. You don't get credit for making yet another promise.
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02
1 edit | reply to MarkyD
Re: Is this FTTP?
It's fiber to the node....then something like ADSL2+ the rest of the way.
See forum thread on Missouri SBC ADSL2+ trials:
»SBC ultra high speed trial? Legit or scam? |
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ShadowMastr
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Oh great! Another huge chunk of money going to the select few, and rural areas STILL have to consider themselves lucky to get a decent speed on dialup...... pardon me for not jumping up and down in ecstasy.....
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icp1
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| reply to MarkyD
Re: Is this FTTP?
said by MarkyD :Is this FTTP like verizon is doing, or is it just fiber to the node? If it's FTTN, what's the use? That's what cable already has, more or less.
It is FTTN...as for what's the use - 24 MB internet and video options. "That's what cable already has", sort of, but that's kind of the point as well. |
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rkmo
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Re: Seriously, though....
Bussineses are happy to get 15% profit on investment, which is 180 dollars per year or 15 per month. So if all other expenses are going to be less than 25 bucks per month, they should be happy as hell. But, since they are a monopoly or a part of duopoly (cable and phone duopoly), they will probably will not be satisfied with anything less than mafia type return. |
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oroper
Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01
Beverly, MA
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: Is this FTTP?
Even if it's FTTN, Couldn't they use Coax cable to do the rest? or better yet that other technology that was mentioned earlier...UWB/UMB/ U something  (I forgot) but you know what I mean..
^I will correct it as soon as someone reminds me...:D |
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asdfdfdf
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| Karl I wish you would clarify things...
...in your article a little bit because the distinction between ftth/p and fttn/node is crucial. Whitacre continues to poo-poo verizon like full fiber build. The triennial review had already made a determination that full fiber build did not have to be shared. The recent ruling extended those rules to fiber to the node builds within 500 ft. of customer premises.
For others. The 1200$ is rough calculation for ftth build. THe sbc plan is NOT ftth it is fiber to the node and adsl2 or adsl+ copper to the home. Using the rough figures of 6 billion to cover 18 million homes that is about a quarter of the full fiber build cost.
I believe that sbc, like verizon, is serious about their plans this time around, simply because they know they can't afford to jack around much longer. |
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soothsayer15
join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
| reply to Cod
Re: Seriously, though....
said by Cod :
said by techguyga :....I'll believe it when I see it.
I sware you can't win around here. SBC customers get great & exciting news and its the same-o brain dead posts bashing the telco's (with BBR's encouragement).
Cod is right. Everyone that has a bone to pick with the Telco's or Cable Co's comes on this site to spew their slanted logic. The Telco's aren't doing this because they like empty promises. FTTP is a must for their survival. You cynics can talk you want, you have no understanding of business. Businesses aren't in business to lose money just so you can be happy. People here complain too much because FTTP is not available yesterday. There is nothing these companies can do to appease you because you need a soapbox to complain from. |
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Karl Bode
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1 edit | reply to asdfdfdf
Re: Karl I wish you would clarify things...
You're right. I thought it was clear but I've added additional clarification as well as a link to a thread discussing SBC ADSL2+ trials in Missouri for the last mile....
As for SBC being serious, I think you're right (they have to do something or risk extinction), but I'd like to see blinking modem LED's before I start handing out candy or dishing out pats on the backs. |
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dslwanter
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH | Yea OK.
I think humans will be able to grow wings and fly by the time my area sees fiber. |
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djrobx
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1 edit | reply to asdfdfdf
Re: Karl I wish you would clarify things...
I agree completely. The recent "SBC Fiber" stories leave out the fact that this is not "fiber to the home", and it's clear from the comments that people aren't aware of this. While it's great that SBC will be pushing RTs closer to homes, it's nowhere near as exciting as Verizon running fiber directly to the home. These stories make them sound like the same thing.
As I've posted many times, I don't feel that 24mbps is nearly enough for future-proof video plus internet. Even if you managed to squeeze recompressed (degraded) HDTV service into that little pipe, there'd be no room left for broadband access. For my home I want a minumum of 4 HDTV streams. That's for just two TVs: it represents two HD capable set-top DVRs recording two shows simultaneously. Cable and satellite do this without a problem. So should emerging technology.
Of course, at "500 ft" they could run VDSL or something better, but I'm honestly frightened that SBC is going to spend billions on something that just won't work well, when they should be focusing on getting fiber to the home directly and eliminate the bottleneck.
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