Toguro
join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL | I hope this works
To good to be true |
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
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join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
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UNE-P is endangered so they come up with something else to replace it and provide more of the service themselves.
Congrats to Covad for actually making an investment, which is the whole point of repealing UNE-P.
Time to buy some Nokia stock if they're the only ones providing this type of hardware.
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | With whom does Nokia work with?
I can't see that Nokia came up with this technology all alone. Which company helps them with this and their ADSL2+/VDSL technology? |
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jbjetta
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join:2004-07-23
Laurel, MD |
Nokia most likely is using international standards, it just happens that they make a UNE-L thats has a small enough footprint to work for the DSL providers. |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| All UNE-L means is that if we want DSL, we can get covad with their own Voice/data solution vs verizon with their own voice/data solution. It does not improve service for any of us.
We need the death of the copper loop, not a way to reuse the copper loop and just keep the existing copper plant alive.
UNE-L would have been great in the past because it would have made sure that incumbents would not have had the opportunity to unfairly win the fight against competition. Remember those bitter moments of when Covad, and Verizon sued and countersued as well as other CLECs.
Im not against UNE-L and I think under existing regulations and the like it will provide more competition than none. But I wish the carriers would realize that the plant HAS to be replaced. Covad should figure out ways to extend the fiber to homes, not continue to rely on existing POTS infrastructure. |
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icp1
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join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
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| said by AJ023  :
All UNE-L means is that if we want DSL, we can get covad with their own Voice/data solution vs verizon with their own voice/data solution. It does not improve service for any of us.
We need the death of the copper loop, not a way to reuse the copper loop and just keep the existing copper plant alive.
UNE-L would have been great in the past because it would have made sure that incumbents would not have had the opportunity to unfairly win the fight against competition. Remember those bitter moments of when Covad, and Verizon sued and countersued as well as other CLECs.
Im not against UNE-L and I think under existing regulations and the like it will provide more competition than none. But I wish the carriers would realize that the plant HAS to be replaced. Covad should figure out ways to extend the fiber to homes, not continue to rely on existing POTS infrastructure.
Until the government funds it, or companies find a way to capitalize on fiber in a HUGE way, it will never happen. Why? It just plain COSTS TOO MUCH. |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
| Good Luck to Covad
I want to see Covad succeed. And if there pricing will be like the VoIP provider I have now I will switch. But once again I want to see the international prices for the two countries I call and the national plan or regional plan price if there is one. The devil is in the details. |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | reply to icp1
Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
What is needed is new governmental policy. The existing broadband policy by this administration has failed miserably. Japan has 2 competitors for Optical Fiber I believe now. We ought to follow the Japan example. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to Aggie Dan
Re: Go figure.
If Covad suceeds, watch the Bells move to yank the rugs out from under them again..... |
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icp1
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join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
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Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
said by AJ023 :
What is needed is new governmental policy. The existing broadband policy by this administration has failed miserably. Japan has 2 competitors for Optical Fiber I believe now. We ought to follow the Japan example.
Easy to do in a country that is that population dense and where the gov't controls much of the businesses. |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | How?
So, how would this work? Wouldn't they still be piggybacking on RBOC lines? |
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
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Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
Nokia bought out a company caled something like "Newbridge Networks" or close, a few years ago, they were then using chip technology and IP from outside sources. I am presuming that is likely still the case. Sure Standards are generic, but then the speciific IP and chip technology can differ in performance and capability. So I am wondering where this technology came from other than inhouse. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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Re: Go figure.
said by KrK :
If Covad suceeds, watch the Bells move to yank the rugs out from under them again.....
Agreed...It's all about not wanting someone else in their sandbox, no matter how many other sandboxes the Bells are in...
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
said by icp1 :
Easy to do in a country that is that population dense and where the gov't controls much of the businesses.
Exactly...when people are stacked on top of each other, it is easy to run fiber....
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bac522
join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH
| Huh? This story makes no sense
In order for Covad to provide DSL they have to and have always had to use UNE-L. UNE-P is a voice only service and no DSL provider can offer DSL on UNE-P line since it is not tariff as such. I'm guessing the author of this article is referring to "Line Sharing" which is not a UNE-P offering in which case Telephone Online should be embarrassed that the author of the article doesn't know better. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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Re: How?
said by footballdude :
So, how would this work? Wouldn't they still be piggybacking on RBOC lines?
They would just be using the copper at this point. The big issue with UNE-P is that the Bells switching facilities are also used.
With UNE-L, only the copper is used, not the switching equipment.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
But yet the big cities don't have fiber to the home ? Odd. Please stop making excuses for our country. They could have done it but are just plain to greedy.
On a side note why is it every person in the US if something isn't favorable to us we make excuses about why it isn't nothing like just admitting we screwed up or are to greedy to get the job done.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
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| reply to achuchma
Re: Go figure.
Exactly. For example, I'm not sure what the rules are about UNE-L.... but I know this from past history....should Covad, or other CLEC's, start using UNE-L rules to their advantage, the Telco's will lobby to change the rules on UNE-L to cripple them. This is a given. It's so annoying.... Talk about regulatory uncertainty... that's what *ANY* competitor to the ILEC's live under!
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gissa
I Hit Things With Sticks
join:2002-01-28
Hyde Park, MA
·RCN CABLE
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Re: Huh? This story makes no sense
WRONG. Covad can legally provide DSL on UNE-P via the process of Line Splitting. Line Splitting is when an IXC (ATT, SPrint, MCI etc) are the customer's local voice provider. The IXC rents the whole loop from the RBOC and Covad then uses the high freq portion of the copper loop and connects it to their DSLAM. T was adding significant Line Splitting customers until UNE-P was killed by the courts not too long ago. They are still adding, but not as much volume. Line splitting is technically the same as Line Sharing. The only difference is that with Line Sharing, the RBOC (Baby Bell) is the local voice provider.
The author is 100% correct! Covad's VoIP product (through their large partners) which will be transparent to the end user. This offering will have no distance limitations and will be available to anyone served out of a CO that Covad is located in. The VoIP is done at the CO on Covad's DSLAM. This means that you can use any existing phone jacks in the house and telephones without using special CPE or TA.
The service is power-line so you never have to worry about losing service in an outage. This is going to be the ultimate UNE-P transfer mechanism for the IXCs (AT&T, MCI, Sprint, IDT etc...). You won't even need to be a Covad DSL customer to qualify. In fact, because of the no-distance limits, 40% more people will qualify for Covad's Voice than their DSL.
All typical enchanced features of current consumer VoIP offerings will be included.
This is going to be a HUGE product for the IXCs because it lets them migrate many of the 19 million consumers that have an IXC as a local phone provider. If anything,you might want to look at Covad's stock 
Check out the VoIP forum as we have been speaking about this for a few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions:
»COVAD - Upcoming consumer VoIP offering |
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ATTek
Got Sand?
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Pinon Hills, CA
| said by gissa :
WRONG. Covad can legally provide DSL on UNE-P via the process of Line Splitting. Line Splitting is when an IXC (ATT, SPrint, MCI etc) are the customer's local voice provider. The IXC rents the whole loop from the RBOC and Covad then uses the high freq portion of the copper loop and connects it to their DSLAM. T was adding significant Line Splitting customers until UNE-P was killed by the courts not too long ago. They are still adding, but not as much volume. Line splitting is technically the same as Line Sharing. The only difference is that with Line Sharing, the RBOC (Baby Bell) is the local voice provider.
Second that-I've these in. AT&T/Covad is the only combo I've seen do this tho. As far as the story goes, this is nothing new really. MPower Communications has been doing this here in California for years.
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