P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
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join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
clubs:  | yawnnnnn- whatever
when?? was this not promised in 1996? i know a few years ago SNET local phone company was doing tv.
Ding first post :P |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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|  So, DSL is the Great Broadband Hope
While DSL is a great technology, its major downfall is distance. Plain and simple. So, in order to offer these new fangled services, how much money will need to be sunk into a technology that is already outdated. In order to keep loop lengths short enough to offer these services, WAAAAAYYYY more "Neighborhood Gateways" will need to be installed.
Fiber to each and every home will not become an option for mass consumption any time soon. For that to happen, Telco's will need to change nearly their entire infrastructure. Who cares what Verizon is doing. Are they doing it in your neighborhood...and how long will it be until they do.
The sad thing is, the only bad thing going for cable HSI is it's low upload. Other than that, the technology has everything going for it.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
 ·AT&T Southwest
| said by DaSneaky1D  :
Who cares what Verizon is doing. Are they doing it in your neighborhood...
Yes they are. Many of you reading this will live long enough to tell your grandchildren about the dark-age days of no fiber. I didn't expect to live that long -- but I was wrong 
Being wrong is highly under-rated |
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cyrus369
join:2002-09-16
usa
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said by DaSneaky1D :
Fiber to each and every home will not become an option for mass consumption any time soon. For that to happen, Telco's will need to change nearly their entire infrastructure. Who cares what Verizon is doing. Are they doing it in your neighborhood...and how long will it be until they do.
same thing i have been saying for months, but im sure the people that swear verizon dug up thier neighborhood will probably respond. i dont see fiber taking over on a large level for years and years to come, i mean they cannot dig up every street in a few years now can they? and what about $$$$$$$$ for permits and all the equipment that the cheap consumer are not willing to pay for nor will they want to pay too much for the installation or be locked into a contract.
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
clubs: | reply to ronpin
WOW one town in the whole US they have done it in,and not even a major city at that.. |
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cyrus369
join:2002-09-16
usa
clubs:
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said by ronpin :
said by DaSneaky1D :
Who cares what Verizon is doing. Are they doing it in your neighborhood...
Yes they are. Many of you reading this will live long enough to tell your grandchildren about the dark-age days of no fiber. I didn't expect to live that long -- but I was wrong
Being wrong is highly under-rated
of course one of the few people from keller, the only place with fios responds.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to toddbs98
said by toddbs98 :
WOW one town in the whole US they have done it in,and not even a major city at that..
Once again Keller *IS* Dallas/Fort Worth -- hardly nowhere (and I should know) |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
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Of course someone from Keller, TX would respond...
Keller is a puppet show. Richardson, TX (SBC) is a puppet show. Those people have fiber up to their computer desks...but 1.5mbps/128kbps speeds. What's to stop them from getting faster speeds? Expanding from Richardson to other counties?
I'll take Verizon (and SBC in my case) seriously when I can see my RT/Fiber node down my block.
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Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
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Re: yawnnnnn- whatever
said by P Ness :
when?? was this not promised in 1996?
heh... I'm still waiting for SDSL or plain ol' ADSL. Living in the fastest growing county in the US in the Washington DC 'burbs and I'm still behind an RT with no DSL support. Fiber is just a pipe dream unless I move a few blocks down the road where OpenBand offers FTTP. |
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Swingerhead
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join:2004-04-06
Richmond, VA | reply to cyrus369
Re: So, DSL is the Great Broadband Hope
Cavtel is supposed to have it soon in some markets as soon as hardware is in place I hear. |
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL
| I hate the term bullish
When I hear some Company is bullish about something. I think of BS Vaporware. Not just they are bullish they are also promising.. Hmmm
We have heard this before. Do us a favor The Yankee Group, don't tell us you are going to do something. JUST DO IT. Then tell us about it.
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mabus
Dissociated But Not Disconnected
join:2002-11-12
Fort Wayne, IN | as always, there's a catch
the catch to getting these super high speeds is that you must take up residence INSIDE THE CO. |
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vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| Not so fast...
As is often the case, it seems the answer isn't so black and white.
Fiber is the technology of the future for lots of technical reasons such as higher bandwidth (especially with dense wave multiplexing) and immunity to crosstalk and RF interference.
On the other hand, fiber isn't going to have high market penetration for awhile because it's just not there! It'll take at least 10 years of digging to get fiber into most residential neighborhoods.
As such, we're going to need temporary solutions to keep up with increased demand for bandwidth (which is a loaded statement because in a way all solutions are temporary). ADSL2+ and, later on, VDSL seem to be preferable to, say, cable, wireless, or powerline networking (in most cases, other technologies have their own benefits).
Most of us will see FTTH in our lifetimes. Most of us WON'T see FTTH within the next 3-5 years, which leaves a very nice niche for future DSL technologies. |
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techjoe
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Schererville, IN
| said by vpoko :
Most of us will see FTTH in our lifetimes. Most of us WON'T see FTTH within the next 3-5 years, which leaves a very nice niche for future DSL technologies.
Or something on the lines of WiMAX. One can hope, right??  |
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cyrus369
join:2002-09-16
usa
clubs:
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Re: So, DSL is the Great Broadband Hope
said by DaSneaky1D :
Of course someone from Keller, TX would respond...
Keller is a puppet show. Richardson, TX (SBC) is a puppet show. Those people have fiber up to their computer desks...but 1.5mbps/128kbps speeds. What's to stop them from getting faster speeds? Expanding from Richardson to other counties?
I'll take Verizon (and SBC in my case) seriously when I can see my RT/Fiber node down my block.
im going with sneaky on this, ill believe it when i see it. until then everyone needs to calm down cuz by time you get fiber you probably wont care much for it or it will be priced that will make it unattractive.
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Estragon
join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
·MV Communications,..
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Yawn - wake me up when they actually deploy it
This is just yet more promises that will never be fulfilled. 
I got excited about DSL when I first heard of it (a many years ago!). Didn't do me any good. Until we can get Verizon to deploy DSL in RT's, it's a pretty useless technology in my town.
What we need is LDDSL! That's Long Distance DSL.
Or for the FCC to force Verizon to let COVAD deploy equipment in the RT's. Then we might actually get rural broadband. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
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Re: Not so fast...
That's the point I'm making. How much will it cost to install all of the equipment needed to make these "temporary solutions" available to people? In order to get a loop length under 9000 feet for every telco subscriber in a major city would cost hundreds of millions.
Is a company more likely to spend those millions on a dead technology or on rolling out fiber? If they spend it on fiber, then it will be years before you or I get to see it (both of us living in a major city). Once again, we have a catch 22.
If the point of higher bandwidth is for video over DSL, hmmm...Cable already has the infrastructure in place for that. So, what is really filling the niche?
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| Yeah, I see what you're saying and I don't really have an answer for it. If it will turn them a profit, even in the short-term, companies will invest in anything. I guess the companies will need to evaluate if the venture is going to be worth their while.
My personal opinion (and I've conducted no studies of my own) is that telcos will invest the (relatively) inexpensive amount in DSL (which only requires new equipment, the copper is already there) for a short-term profit and not just focus on long-term FTTH initiatives.
I guess the question to ask is: would you want to be stuck with current ADSL speeds for the next 10 years until FTTH is universal? (With sincere apologies to those folks who can't even get ADSL right now) |
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BIGMIKE
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | reply to DaSneaky1D
BY the time I see fiber? I be to old to give a shit. |
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ
| Loop Length
The report fails to mention about how long a loop length will be supported.(I glanced over the report). I rember one of the higher speed DSL variants maxed out as near as 5000 ft.
You can bet that even if it will be supported out to 25,000 ft. that Verizon will push your loop length out to 27,500 ft. with no repercusions. |
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