Gwailo
join:2000-07-16
Richardson, TX
clubs:
| More Power To Them
More power to them and let competition work!
Let's hope the legal teams of almost $70 billion "baby" bells like Verizon and the FCC will leave them alone.
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loserhead
3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong
join:2004-01-01
Ellijay, GA | hifive |
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BBWEST
join:2004-09-05
Port Angeles, WA | They won't
The bells won't leave them alone
QWEST spent more money stopping a muni in our county than the cost of deploying DSL over the whole county
now we have neither. |
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runlevelfour
join:2002-06-12
USA
| Business
Thats the beauty of big business. They reserve the right to give an area their service, and if they dont want to give that service you sure as hell better not do it on your own. Absolutely amazing that theyre allowed to prevent progress in an area because theyre simply waiting for it to become (more) profitable. Its not amazing however, to see the government allowing it to happen. Since there is no strong worker/peoples party, the big business party (RepublicanDemocrat Big Business Party) will certainly cater to their big business buddies.
It should not suprise us things are this way. Whats actually more sad is that the vast majority thinks things are fine like this. The Big business party certainly has public opinion at their beck and call. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to BBWEST
Re: They won't
'just appalling. As if there is any doubt politicians work for them, and not us. |
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Sarge_0321
join:2002-06-27
San Diego, CA
1 edit | reply to BBWEST
Sounds like the same tactics used by big oil companies. We could easily invest funds into researching and implementing alternatives energy sources. But no.. the usurpers of our government have chosen to keep America (and now the world) in a stranglehold by the balls to keep us addicted to using the Texas Tea.
It wouldn't take too much to free ourselves from Middle Eastern oil and subsequently remove our troops from the region. Which would have the following result of "calming down" the entire region.
But no.. we have to keep up the shinanigans that result in the unnecessary spilling of blood.
So back to broadband. Just like the government who is setting the most exemplary example, they want to follow in their footsteps and be able to control the market to their advantage and rape the people for all they are worth. What else is new right?
What's the point is spending more $$$ to suppress innovation and growth. Just get the job done and get the goods out there.
My 2 cents. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Verizon's pathetic
quote:
DSL was formally rolled out in 2003 and is available to about 60% of the city. "We think we have a pretty good network in Danville," says Verizon spokesman John Knapp.
They consider 60% availability "pretty good"? That says alot about why Verizon's DSL deployment is so abysmal.
Anything less than 100% should be considered unacceptable. And if they were at ~100%, I bet the muni wouldn't even have bothered. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by PDXPLT  :
Anything less than 100% should be considered unacceptable. And if they were at ~100%, I bet the muni wouldn't even have bothered.
If the muni hadn't bothered, they probably still wouldn't have DSL. In most of these small towns, the incumbents won't get off their @sses until they see a challenge to their monopolies.
I wonder how fast the telcos would start rolling out fiber if the U.S. gov't suddenly decided it was going to wire the country (but wasn't going to give the money to the telcos to do it)? |
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maartena
Stacked.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to PDXPLT
said by PDXPLT :
quote:
DSL was formally rolled out in 2003 and is available to about 60% of the city. "We think we have a pretty good network in Danville," says Verizon spokesman John Knapp.
They consider 60% availability "pretty good"? That says alot about why Verizon's DSL deployment is so abysmal.
Anything less than 100% should be considered unacceptable. And if they were at ~100%, I bet the muni wouldn't even have bothered.
Technically speaking, broadband is available to pretty much 100% of the U.S. population (lets say 99.9% because there is always that one exception....), but no one in their right mind is going to drop down $250 a month for a 512 kbit/s satellite connection.
As far as land-based and ground-level wireless services go, I think we can reach a penetration of about 90% of the U.S. population. There is always that 10% of the population that lives in farms with nothing in 10 miles in each direction, live up in mountain cabins, and places like Nothing, AZ - Population 19. (I have BEEN there!) with just a few trailers and a local bar. It is very unlikely that land based services will ever reach those communities.
But 90% of penetration should certainly be feasable. Currently in The Netherlands its 98%, but thats 16 million people packed in an area half the size of Vermont. Not hard to do.... but still there is 2% that won't ever get it because they simply live too far out. Germany and France are at about 80 to 85% penetration. 90% is certainly possible there, and thats also possible in the United States.
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iowaresident
@sdnet.net | Iam one of those that lives on a farm. Our local phone company tells me DSL is only usuable within 3 miles of switch. Is this true? |
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drsbaitsowb
@attbi.com | reply to Sarge_0321
Re: They won't
Let your strong left wing bias show through pls. Thanks!  Little did you know that 65 to 70% of our oil comes from South America. Stop watching CNN my friend. |
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breagerey
join:2004-09-23
Davis, CA
| said by drsbaitsowb:
Let your strong left wing bias show through pls. Thanks! Little did you know that 65 to 70% of our oil comes from South America.
»www.eia.doe.gov/neic/rankings/cr···ntry.htm
According to the DOE (they should know, right?) crude from S. American countries totals 3258 thousand barrels/day out of a total import of 9665 thousand barrels/day for 2003.
(2004 figures aren't out yet, but S. America imports are bound to be down due to Venezuela)
That's 33.709%.
NOT 60-75%.
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Stop watching CNN my friend.
Regardless of what you watch, do your own fact checking.
It's not hard.
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evoxfan
Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL
| reply to iowaresident
Re: Verizon's pathetic
Yes, but they could put up a Remote Terminal further out and deploy DSL to greater distances than that. They just don't want to spend the $$.
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The Answer Guy
@da.u
| Yes, we could put DSL into remote terminals, but do you know the cost for doing this. It costs more to install DSL in a remote terminal than it does to put it into the central office. If you consider a bullseye of +/- 3 miles for each site and then try to cover the entire U.S., do you realize how many you need to install?
I'm sure someone ambitious could get the figure, but I think I have proven my point without it. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to maartena
They weren't talking about outlying areas: it's only 60% even considering just the city itself. For a city, urban, area, they should do no less than 100%.
Also, if you look at statistics for small mom 'n pop telcos that serve rural areas, their deployment percentages are surprisingly high -- much higher than the ILEC average. Why? I guess because they actually feel a need to serve their customers and their communities. They use long-range and/or repeaterable technology like the things companies like Paradyne have. The big ILEC's are still just using broadband as a bargaining chip in their dealings with regulators and politicians, and largely don't seem to give a rat's arse about serving their subscribers' needs. |
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niplet
join:2003-10-04
Antioch, TN
| reply to The Answer Guy
go fiber, cheaper in the long run due to less maintenance and if you wnat me to pay the $1000 to run it to my home, at least that is the price i see floating around that it will cost the telco's to run fiber to each home, let me go and grab the credit card/ checkbook, i know a lot of people in their late twenties to mid thirties like myself that are tired of waiting and if we have to pay out of our pockets to have it then we are willing to do so. we do not like being left behind in the world of technology. so if bellsouth exec's read this bring it i will pay it! just bring it to middle tennessee! |
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moko
join:2002-12-22
Fayetteville, GA
1 edit | reply to PDXPLT
if the bells would not let you pay for laying the line yourself;could someone find a small co. to lay the line[dry line??],and then call up a provider to connect you......kind of like when i checked with speakeasy,they said that the bells hade "electronics" on the line,and the could not connect me....but i checked LBDSL,and they said, they could run a new wire[dry line]for me for 300 bucks.
ofcourse it would cost alot more if your also farther away from co. ........but would the lay the line,and dslam, for a price???? |
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