joebear29
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Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great.
Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing. |
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loserhead
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| said by joebear29  :
Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great.
Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing.
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elias
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said by joebear29 :
Bah, I'd especially recommend Firefox to novice users. It is much safer than IE, and tabbed browsing is great.
Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing.
Yeah, but Novice users want things to work.
When they go to a web page that has an ActiveX control they want to use, and it doesn't work, they'll get pissed, upset, frustrated, etc.
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Steve
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said by joebear29 :
Besides, I'd think novice users not having Active X controls is a good thing.
Yah, but when they can't play games online, or do stuff at disney.com, or any of the other things that require ActiveX, they have no appreciation for the security issues and will simply consider Firefox an inferior browser.
And you, the meddlesome geek who recommended it, won't be taken so seriously next time.
Been there, done that.
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yock
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| ack!
I was going to read that article, but it didn't load properly in IE!
Anyway, who cares if the end-user actually knows about what ActiveX is? How does ignorance stop the threat?
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I can see where he's coming from - Firefox is still not 100% idiot proof, and boy can users be idiots - but I don't see the reason to not start encouraging mass use of it at this point.
Was ICQ ever this user friendly? Napster? Skype? For a 0.9+ version product, it's working fairly well, I'd say.
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It's beta software and they're trying to grow before they make it mainstream even though the underground mainstream is starting to catch onto it as a sign of progress which they've intended it to be.
/logic
THOUGH... I would add that FF team should slow down on the final version 1.0 and add a few more 0.s so we won't have to download firefox 18.1 anytime soon. Hell, look at windows, it's up to 2003  |
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Mike
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Re: It's great for novice users
There's game software in AOL IM in the mean time! |
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Count Hogula3
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Then that's their loss, not yours. If someone isn't willing to listen to your or anyone else's OBVIOUS reason, then they deserve whatever they get. In the meantime, I'm sure there are plenty of novices out there who hear about security problems, especially with IE but don't have a clue as to where to start and would appreciate your advice.
Personally I think Firefox is good enough now that novice users can use it without issue and the most popular addins are easily installed should someone want to install them.
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dchillis
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Mentone, CA |  Fire Fox Rocks
Just downloaded it and this baby is fast, I've been having problems with IE and this FF rocks. |
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Steve
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Re: It's great for novice users
said by Count Hogula3 :
then they deserve whatever they get.
It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent.
Steve
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I've used it for a while now, I forget when I started.
I like it and I'm willing to work with handling the extensions, looking for all that stuff, etc. However, it's not an out of the box product yet. I'd be hard presssed to recommend it for general use. There are sites that, because of M$ standards and the rest of the world's standards, only work with IE. But that's not a Firefox issue, that's a site issue. Folks have to break away from the IE mind set.
The extensions make Firefox nice, the idea is great, only load the code that you will use. But even being a user for a while, I have trouble with some of the extensions. Part of it is the API changes and thus the interface changes, part of it is the nature of the extensions.
I think the extension authors need to focus on consistancy in user interface from release to release of the extension and focus on keeping it simple. The one extension I like a lot but have the biggest problem with is TBE, interface constantly changes and there's just too much in it.
Otherwise, I support the product and have switched over to Firefox, Thunderbird and Filezilla.
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Re: Good points, but...
said by quanta :
but I don't see the reason to not start encouraging mass use of it at this point.
... because the people who do the recommending typically are the ones who get to do the supporting, and many of us are so weary from supporing stuff that's not our fault (e.g., spyware infections), that adding new stuff to the mix is really unappealing.
Steve
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veloct
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All of it is just someone's opinion. Everybody thinks they know everything or are an "expert" of some sort. If you like it, use it. Simple.
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Count Hogula3
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Re: It's great for novice users
said by Steve :
said by Count Hogula3 :
then they deserve whatever they get.
It's nice that you only get to hang around with smart, savvy users. But they're a vast minority on the interent.
Steve
I know plenty of net'tards and I can only give them my advice. If they don't and something happens...then they deserve the consequences.
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Battlespire
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I hope the popularity of FireFox will result in the death of ActiveX like SUN's did with javavm. We need something to crush .NET to replace it with C and C++ once and for all or remove the VB part of it. |
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Re: Fire Fox Rocks
I have been using Mozilla/Firefoxx all of em for a while.
Problem is occasionally I still have to open internet explorer. Active X is a good example but other things like Java problems, installing flash plug in and other things are just buggy or not supported.
Example. I have 2 computers and the latest FireFox on both. Flash installed and works fine with one but not the other. Same operating system, cannot find the difference, but if I did not feel like putting the time into finding out why my flash does not work then imagine how FireFox will compare to IE where it just works.
I love the features FireFox has and really do not like using Explorer (and rarely do) but FireFox is not ready to go against IE, it can't. |
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Steve
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Re: LOL
said by veloct :
All of it is just someone's opinion.
Well, sure, but not all opinions are equally meritorious.
It's one thing to not reach the same conclusion as somebody else, but it looks like you've blown right by a long list of specific, detailed issues with "it's just an opinion".
He is not suggesting that you should not use Firefox, he is suggesting that recommending it to others - those not as savvy as us - might not be the best approach. This means that "whether you like it or not" isn't really part of the question, now is it?
I guess some opinions are less meritorious than others too.
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Re: I hope...
said by Battlespire :
I hope the popularity of FireFox will result in the death of ActiveX like SUN's did with javavm. We need something to crush .NET to replace it with C and C++ once and for all or remove the VB part of it.
Sun's Java is actually more buggy and cumbersome then MS's java and most java applications actually run slower on it.
As for .net, have you ever programmed with .net? Have you ever designed any applications one in java and then one in .net or C#? .net and C# are very robust and once yopu learn their inner workings can come of great use.
But you seem to be part of the "if MS makes it it must be bad crowd"
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SoWhat286
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Re: LOL
You bet! |
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