technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | ...
If a lil icon can say it all.. this would be it.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | presidental appeals ?
i would just go with cable, rather then dealing with "presidental appeals" Usually cable has business packages that are comparable.
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fire100_old
Premium
join:2002-08-09
Michigan
clubs:
| Nothing more accurate than a Map
Just find the address of your closest CO on the CO finder here.
Then goto Mapquest.com get your mileage.
Then use the free tool Convert to convert Mileage into Feet. |
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thewolfman
join:2003-04-03
Niagara Falls, NY
clubs: | It isn't that easy. Mapquest mileage cannot be used due to the way telephone wire is routed. Maybe in rare cases it would work, but not the majority. |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| reply to fire100_old
Or just type it into Google! (e.g., "2.54 miles in feet")
Also, conventional wisdom is that crows-flies distances (or worse, the driving distance you recommend) is not directly relatable to the real world mess that is the copper phone system.
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
Premium
join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL | Maybe it's not a mobile home after all....
...maybe it's just a Mobile CO!  |
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | reply to fire100_old
Re: Nothing more accurate than a Map
The CO Finder is useless, it doesn't list the remote CO that is in my area, if I follow all the information that DSL Reports shows, then I wouldn't even be able to get DSL in my area. I enjoy 3 megs of service in my area..... |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
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Understood, but "doesn't work for you" doesn't even come CLOSE to meaning "useless"!!
The CO Finder at DSLR is a godsend for many, many people investigating broadband. I'm quite grateful for it.
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pende_tim
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ | Reason based in Geology
I still go with the Tectonic plate shift theory as to why houses are moving. |
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lestat99
join:2000-08-04
Piscataway, NJ
| reply to fire100_old
Re: Nothing more accurate than a Map
Loop lengh is not measured in a straight line from your house to the CO. You have to account for how the cables are actually routed which is almost never a straight line. Your cable can make a "round about" town even though the CO is down the block.
The key is how long is the physical copper loop from your house to the CO not how far your house is from the CO.
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | reply to pende_tim
Re: Reason based in Geology
:P |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
 ·Comcast
|  I'm confused
If where you are located used to get the maximum speeds does it really matter if you are now technically 500 feet further than what Verizon claims is the maximum distance they can provide that speed at.
It seems like Verizon should just adjust their maximum distance since that's obviously a conservative estimate. Either that or just provision everyone for the maximum speed and let customers get what they will get.
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techguyga
MCSE, DCSE
Premium
join:2003-12-31
Cumming, GA
| reply to technick
Re: Nothing more accurate than a Map
Are you talking about an RT/DSLAM? I didn't know they had "remote CO's".
If you live in one of the BellSouth served areas, check out this spreadsheet that lists operational and proposed RTs and their street addresses...
»www.bellsouth.com/broadband/dsl_···rtal.xls |
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krobar
Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH
| failing to take into account....
You all are also failing to take into account the gauge of the wiring between the home and the CO. As I understand it from the ASI techs I've dealt with, they measure distance based on a certain gauge wire, say 24 gauge just for arguments sake, so if a smaller or large gauge is used at any point the electrical resistance (which btw is WHY there's a "distance" limitation) is going to be different than if it was the same size wire the entire distance.
Having said that the only possible reason I can think of for the "moving" houses is that they're measuring based on a different gauge of cable, which would make your same loop appear to be longer than it used to be. 
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to Morac
Re: I'm confused
I agree. If someone orders say 3000/768 and they are 11,700 feet from the CO, why they'll still get a decent speed increase even if they're upgrading from 1.5M/128K! I know this for a fact because back at my old location, I was at 11724 feet from my local cO. I had them run a test to see what the max my modem to connect at was. Turns out from where I was my sync rate was 3168/672 and my throughput was about 2.2MBPS down and 540KBPS up. Now granted I had known the guy that did the test for a bit, as I'd worked with him when I had DSL line issues in the past, but the point here in my book is Verizon shouldn't say that oh you can't get it just because they moved your house to just outside the border limit! Rather than going on what just the database says, they should actually provision your modem for whatever package you request and if you request 3000/768, normally provisioned at 3360/864 to account for ATM overhead, and you connect up at 2700/512, then so be it! You still have better speeds than you had before. Even when I briefly had 7.1M/768K at this location, which I believe is provisioned at 7800/864, I connected at anywhere from 6500 to 7040KBPs to the CO depending on line conditions and such. But did I complain that I wasn't getting my exact downstream speed, heck no, with an average throughput of 5.7MBPs, I was happy. I now have 3M/768K only due to price, but if 7MB was the same price, oh yeah I'd get it. |
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2lil2latebuddy
@optonline.net
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Re: ...
I switched to cable after they told me that i'm like a few feet too much and they weren't gonna even try the faster speeds and run a test on the line... 1.5mbit was supposed to be acceptable to 18,000 feet and i'm like 17,XXX (debatable on the laste couple of hundred feet because:
a. they're too stupid to count
b. use a "signal strength to assess digital loop quality in estimated feet" so actual feet might not correspond to signal strength feet
c. they split your line to sell two 768kbits connections instead of one 1.5mbit connection-- believe it, they do it to maximize revenue.
d. i'm taking my business to a better company!
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dsless
join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA
|  reply to krobar
Re: failing to take into account....
Hooked my sister up with Verizon. Start out with 1.5/128. Called and said upgrade to 1.5/384 and the said fine. She was 8000 ft from the CO. Well tried the download speed and it when to 768/128. Called tech support, said call billing. Called billing said call tech support. Supervisor a tech support said here would take car of it. Sister still at 768/128 and was running fine at 1.5/128. Now they say she is at 16500 ft. Thanks verizon, you bunch of losers. |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
1 edit | reply to CPM
Re: Reason based in Geology
said by CPM  :
:P
It's a lower case p, Not an upper case P, I tried doing It the way You did, didn't work. But here It is: 
But in any case back on topic, I agree. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| reply to thewolfman
Re: Nothing more accurate than a Map
Amen to that, but its not just Verizon. I think it a collusive effort by the Bells. I have a remote office, in Louisiana, that according to map quest and initial telco estimates was 11750 feet from the CO. This office is on the same road as the CO. We had a problem that only happened with heavy rains. Reported the problem and now the office is 17950 feet away. |
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aitech
Guru. Kneel
join:2000-12-19
Boston, MA
clubs:
|  Just give it to them, and see what it connects at!
How difficult is this?
Provision the 3000/768 service, tell the customer it is "best-effort" service and they might not get 3000/768 because of their distance from the CO falling outside of maximum range, and see what they sync with.
End of story, this would make everyone happy!
What's the issue!?
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