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Comments on news posted 2004-08-28 10:45:04: In California, five state counties and two cities have filed a class-action lawsuit (CNET) against Microsoft for using its monopoly power to deny government agencies free choice in software products and charge high prices. ..
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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4 edits | The real reason for the suing Microsoft PLEASE REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR ME IN NOVEMBER I SUED
MICROSOFT!
These Clowns don't care if they do loose, the idiot public will think ooh these district attorneys are suing evil Microsoft. (UR) Robert J. Kochly Contra Costa County DA, (UL)Steve Cooley LA County DA, (LL) James P. Fox, San Mateo County DA, (LR)George Kennedy, Santa Clara County DA
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chronix_10
join:2004-02-05
Tarzana, CA | Leave Microsoft Alone. I dont see why everyone is freaking blaming Microsoft. I mean if you dont want to use it, then dont. Somehow Microsoft is to blame cuz its such a big company. | |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
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join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Re: Leave Microsoft Alone. Yeah. Everybuddy stop picking on Microsoft. Microsoft is a great company.
Ok... all together... one... two... three.... Chant.
We love Microsoft.
We love Microsoft.
We love Microsoft.
I think we are getting it now. Let's try a different one.
*nix SUCKS. *nix is communist. *nix costs jobs.
*nix SUCKS. *nix is communist. *nix costs jobs.
*nix SUCKS. *nix is communist. *nix costs jobs.
Great... now for the biggie:
Linux stole the source.
Linux stole the source.
Linux stole the source.
Great job. We are now all on the same wave length.
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA
1 edit | MICROSOFT'S POWER IN THE RELEVANT MARKET 33. Microsoft enjoys so much power in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems that if it wished to exercise this power solely in terms of price, it could charge a price for Windows substantially above that which could be charged in a competitive market. Moreover, it could do so for a significant period of time without losing an unacceptable amount of business to competitors. In other words, Microsoft enjoys monopoly power in the relevant market.
34. Viewed together, three main facts indicate that Microsoft enjoys monopoly power. First, Microsoft's share of the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems is extremely large and stable. Second, Microsoft's dominant market share is protected by a high barrier to entry. Third, and largely as a result of that barrier, Microsoft's customers lack a commercially viable alternative to Windows.
A. Market Share »www.albion.com/microsoft/ | |
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DeathIsTooGoodForThe
|  Burn Bill at the STAKE like in the old days...
No one on the face of the Earth would desire to produce an O/S with as many defects, security holes, Bugs, and bad code as MICROSUCKS has delivered since the very first version of Windoze was forced on consumers. That's why anyone with a clue is migrating to Linux and open source software. The Internet is run on Linux, NOT Windoze. Guess why ???
With any luck, Dollar Bill and his band of convicted criminals will all BURN IN H*LL with those billions of dollars per year they have stolen from consumers!!! | |
| | KUppiano
Karl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02
Ferndale, WA
| Re: Burn Bill at the STAKE like in the old days... said by DeathIsTooGoodForThe:
With any luck, Dollar Bill and his band of convicted criminals will all BURN IN H*LL with those billions of dollars per year they have stolen from consumers!!!
Oh, puke! Go take a class on economics and come back in a year.
Windows has a plethora of alternatives, many of them free. There must be some reason people keep purchasing Windows. | |
| | supaslacka
join:2004-03-14
Topeka, KS
| While I don't agree with the way death speaks, I don't like MS much either. As for Karl, up until recently, there has not been much of a choice for Desktop OS's. I can only think of ONE that even came close. That would be good ol Mac, and as far as I can see, the new Mac OsX is pretty much based on FreeBSD, which is based on Unix/Linux...if there was another OS with as much domination as MS-DOS/Windows for the desktop, then I missed that train.
By the way, as much as I would like to see MS and Billy burn, it doesn't do much good to talk that much shit, just makes the MicroSoup fans pissy..so lets try to be nice. XPw/SP2=SP3 to fix SP2 | |
| OLDrbright
join:2004-04-29
Lexington, KY
| Alternatives Anyone? A company here in town was faced with a similar situation. Microsoft was wanting them to pay an outrageous amount of money per computer to use their software. Since this company has quite a few people working in its headquarters here in town, they decided to switch to Fedora for their operating system. They are also using OpenOffice, but that can also be used on a Windows machine.
While this route may have forced the company into teaching their employees the ropes of this very user-friendly Linux distribution, it also saved them thousands of dollars. Unless Microsoft is literally forcing the groups filing these suits to use their products (I can't imagine this being the case), they should be putting some research into other alternatives as well. | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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1 edit | Re: Alternatives Anyone? said by OLDrbright  :
While this route may have forced the company into teaching their employees the ropes of this very user-friendly Linux distribution, it also saved them thousands of dollars. Unless Microsoft is literally forcing the groups filing these suits to use their products (I can't imagine this being the case), they should be putting some research into other alternatives as well.
You are exactly right. There are alternatives to Microsoft, excellent ones at that. This forced the city to train their employees to use the new software and I'll bet you because of this training their productivity has improved because for the first time truly know how to use the software. These law suits against MS are simply political grand standing it's to bad these Political horse rectums are using tax payer's money to sue, what a waste of money. I would vote against any government official that wasted recourses like this. Just look at FireFox they have versions for Solaris, Linux, MSW. There are some wonderful OS's based on the old Atari codes. Don't feed me this only game in town crap.
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aszure3
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Spokane, WA
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| Total BS If they do not like the prices then they have the choicet to use anything else they want nobody said use windows or else. For crying out lound use linux it cost less and they can do pretty much everything they did before if not more
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Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
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join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA
1 edit | The greed of gov't is never satisfied... I guess the tobacco pockets are dry, so on to the next target to leech off of.
Figures it's Frisco, well known for this kinda crap. Microsoft should cut them off and leave then high and dry to fend for themselves. What, they can't buy Corel? I use Wordperfect and it works just fine? They can't run Linux or Linspire? They have to buy x86 computers? MS operating systems? Huh? Like any of these gov't idiots are building their own boxes? They go to Dell and Gateway types and buy them 100's at a time, all with ulta cheap OEM licensing. What, they didn't see the price tag before they wrote the check?
This is typical gov't greed, plain and simple. They lost their leader in the Governor's house so they can't steal anymore money from Joe Taxpayer, so now they go after someone else looking to steal their money.
Screw them. Boy I wish this state could split right above L.A. Cali is too big for it's own good.
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Theo25
@attbi.com | CA is stupid No wonder CA is bankrupt. They will spend millions of dollars on this lawsuit, then end up with nothing. A great deal for lawyers, but more debt for CA. | |
| the niTz
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join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ | hmmm its weird i got one of these do u wanna sue microsoft things in the mail a few weeks back but im in AZ, i just threw it in a pile of shit on my floor
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everyone_thinks_they
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| "blah blah blah" is all i hear anymore.. This site has more people talking out their ass then any other wesbite on the internet today. All you California bashers haven't the slightest clue about California. Your just more media brainwashed puppets quoting, already established moronic views, thoughts, and opinions of the cracked out journalist in America.
I remember when i used to live in the Midwest and thought California was nothing but earthquakes and Barbie's all day. Its OK to be naive and clueless to the world around you .. just keep your mouth shut when your going to do it. | |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13 | Instead of Sueing, DO SOMETHING Like adopt a Linux-based operating system and office solution for the state. | |
| Anarchocap
join:2004-02-29
Phoenix, AZ
1 edit | Idiocy at its finest... How is it now that Kommiefornia can sue MS for monopoly power "for the taxpayers" yet the very own taxpayers cannot sue state or federal governments for the very same reason?!?
I have no free choice in paying my taxes. I get bundled services I don't want, need, nor wish to pay for, yet I regularly find I am robbed with every paycheck.
I want a class action lawsuit against government.
This is dripping with irony!!!!!
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| | the niTz
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Sahuarita, AZ | Re: Idiocy at its finest... im with u | |
| supaslacka
join:2004-03-14
Topeka, KS
| Fixing Windows and Livin for Linux | |
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DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA
3 edits | Re: Fixing Windows and Livin for Linux LoL... Dude!
Typical Trouble Call at This ISP:
ME: "Hello , Mike speaking, How may I help you?"
MSUSER: "Yeah, what's wrong with your system?"
ME: "As far as I know nothing is broken today. Are you having a problem?"
MSUSER: "Yeah, I can't get my mail."
ME: "What is the error message?"
MSUSER: "I don't know. It said something about the server being down."
ME: "Can you surf the web?"
MSUSER: "Yes but it is really, really slow."
ME: "Are you using Outlook Express or the Web interface to get your mail?"
MSUSER: "I don't know, but I can't get my mail."
ME: "Ok, are you clicking on the big blue E to get your mail or are you clicking on the picture of a letter to get your mail?"
MSUSER: "I'm clicking on the picture of a letter."
ME: "That is the picture of a letter which is on your desktop, right? Not the picture of a letter in IE, I mean Internet Explorer?"
MSUSER: "I don't know. I'm just clicking on the picture of a letter. It used to work. It worked this morning, but it won't work now."
ME: "Are you connected right now?"
MSUSER: "Yes, I have two phone lines."
ME: "Are the two little computers showing up down in the bottom right of your screen?"
MSUSER: "Yes."
ME: "Are they blinking like they are talking to each other?"
MSUSER: "No, one is blue and the other is light blue."
ME: "Ok, let me check your login on the cisco, just a second.... I see you are connected and that your round trip ping time is 4000 ms."
MSUSER: "Is that bad?"
ME: "Depends. Let me sniff your connection. Your computer is sending traffic as fast as your connection can go. Uh, huh. I see your computer is scanning other systems on the internet as fast as your connection can go."
MSUSER: "No it isn't. I'm not doing anything. I just want my mail."
ME: "The problem you have is that something on your computer is scanning other computers on the internet. It looks like a virus, or a worm, or a trojan. Do you have virus protection installed?"
MSUSER: "Well certainly!"
ME: "What vendor?"
MSUSER: "Uh, well, I'm not sure."
ME: "Is there a blue shield in the lower right of the screen near the little computers?"
MSUSER: "Uh, no there is a yellow box thingie."
ME: "OK, Is your virus program up to date? When was it installed?"
MSUSER: "It came with the computer. I don't know if it is up to date."
ME: "OK, How old is the computer?"
MSUSER: "I don't know my son used to own it and gave it to me for my birthday last year. It is a Pentium 128 or something like that."
ME: "What version of Windows is on the computer?"
MSUSER: "Windows Me, it is Windows Me."
ME: "You have a virus, or a worm, or a trojan. It is using your connection to try to find other computers to infect. Your computer is getting an error message that says the mail server could not be found or that the connection to the mail server timed out... You need to bring it in to the service department and a tech will have a look at it."
MSUSER: "But you people said you scanned for viruses. This is your fault so the service should be free right?"
ME: "Yes we scan for viruses. No this is not our fault. No the repair will not be free."
MSUSER: "Well, never mind. I will just use it as it is."
ME: "I'm sorry, you don't understand. I can't let you use it as it is. It is infected and it is trying to infect other computers on the internet. I have to block your account until you can show that the virus/worm/trojan has been removed from it."
MSUSER: "I PAY YOU GOOD MONEY FOR INTERNET ACCESS. THIS IS YOUR FAULT. I SHOULD SUE YOU PEOPLE. YOU SAID YOU SCANNED E-MAIL FOR VIRUSES. THIS IS YOUR FAULT."
Click, MSUser hangs up. MSUSER is now pissed at me and on his way to my office to tell me what a POS I am. Why? Well because Microsoft FAILED to build a decent security model into their software before the exposed it to the Internet.
NOTE: These conversations usually last about twenty minutes each and are even worse than the above. I don't think California should sue MS, I think I should sue MS. Microsoft has brought computing to the masses, but Microsoft HAS NOT BEEN RESPONSIBLE to the masses. They have made commodity computing possible. They have provided a functional operating system, with NO reasonable security defaults, to keep market share. They have created the problem. If you want to be the king, you need to be a GOOD king, not just a king. If you fail to be a good king, expect a revolt.
... MSUSER doesn't get it ... because MS doesn't get it...
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