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technick
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Loganville, GA
1 edit | freaking great You might stop some of us, but you won't stop all of us...I can't wait to get ashcroft out of office, him and his fake crusade for private america. See what having a freaking twit in the white house will do? Ugh... Ranting till the end of time won't change the mind of some.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Re: freaking great So... what exactly do you expect what amounts to the top law enforcement official to do exactly? Is he just supposed to ignore copyright law because you don't agree with it? You want the DOJ to issue surveys beforehand to make sure they aren't raiding places that don't agree with the law as it currently is stated?
Ashcroft and the President are not the one's you need to be getting all cheesed off about. Congress makes the laws, they are the ones you need to be PO'd about. The Executive branch can only enforce laws that are passed to it by the congress.
But of course anybody but Bush 2004 right? Even habitual liars who's past is a construct of their own imagination supported by the official documentation which was conveniently written by the liars themselves?
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| | | Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA | Re: freaking great At least Kerry has a past we can check, not like our draft dodger war monger of a president. | |
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Jacksonville, FL | Re: freaking great So how many combat months do you have? | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | Angrychair
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| Re: freaking great Obviously you don't even begin to grasp the concept of what I'm getting at.
If you've NEVER (which is what I suspect you have had) had any combat time then you can't even begin to grasp what it means to be on alert 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year from the moment you step off your transport until the moment you leave the area of the world where combat is taking place because some guy could pull a grenade out of a shoeshine box at any moment and kill you and all your buddies walking down the sidewalk.
You're just another small minded twit that doesn't have the slightest idea what it really means to put yourself in the position that John Kerry was in for "only" 105 (approximately 3.5 months) days. | |
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Nerdtalker
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| Re: freaking great said by Angrychair  :
You're just another small minded twit that doesn't have the slightest idea what it really means to put yourself in the position that John Kerry was in for "only" 105 (approximately 3.5 months) days.
Your personal insult isn't appreciated, but, besides the fact that you have to resort to personal insults to make yourself fell like you've "won" the argument, John Kerry was only in the war so he could use it for his future political career. Why else would he come back and film re-enactments of fights? Anyways, he is the most decorated war hero (in that amount of time). PFFT...
Anyways, you're just another "anybody but Bush" person. Voting against somebody is never how the election was meant to be carried out. It only shows how you can't pose a valid argument for your candidate.
Give me one example of legislation that Kerry has passed (without using google) that you agree with.
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| Re: freaking great Wow, really clueless.
I slap you around your idiotic and offensive argument and you come back with "you're just a Bush hater".
You disgrace all veterans everywhere. I can tell you don't have a thankful bone in your body, but show a little respect for the people that have fought to give you the right to badmouth them for helping out an ingrate like yourself. | |
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marketex
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Lansing, IL
1 edit | Re: freaking great Maybe you didn't notice, but the Viet Nam and every war since and a few before, (Since even Dwight David Eisenhower warned us against the "Military Industrial Complex" as he left office) has been fought to enrich the coffers of Arms manufacturers while giving "jobs" to young men and women as mere cannon fodder. Maybe you have stock in the companies affected or maybe you work for one of them. Has it ever occurred to you that Russia's economy was busted by doing the same things we are still doing. Do you want to bankrupt this country like theirs was. Or, don't you care about the USA as much as you say you do. | |
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1 edit | Re: freaking great No I do care, but I don't want a bunch of arsonists and serial killers running around because the FBI can't afford a decent crime lab, and if I was kidnapped, I sure as hell would like someone to come save me (that's the FBI's job).
We don't live in a utopian paradise, we live in a dangerous place and we need a military (I do agree we are spending too much on it but cutting off funding completely is not the answer, we need to reduce are dependance on Middle East oil so we don't have to go and steal it from them when they over price it). Anyone who says otherwise has been listening to the Green Peace terrorists.
EDIT: If and when Kerry gets elected I will be moving to another country.
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marketex
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Lansing, IL
| Re: freaking great said by Goldengamego :
No I do care, but I don't want a bunch of arsonists and serial killers running around because the FBI can't afford a decent crime lab, and if I was kidnapped, I sure as hell would like someone to come save me (that's the FBI's job).
We don't live in a utopian paradise, we live in a dangerous place and we need a military (I do agree we are spending too much on it but cutting off funding completely is not the answer, we need to reduce are dependance on Middle East oil so we don't have to go and steal it from them when they over price it). Anyone who says otherwise has been listening to the Green Peace terrorists.
EDIT: If and when Kerry gets elected I will be moving to another country.
Dear Golden Game God (see, that fits)
I am not enough of a control-freak to interrupt your travel plans or plans for citizenship in this or any other country, but you gotta admit, and you partially have, that we must put on the brakes.
I don't know why that always comes from the MOUTHS of Republicans ("Big Government", "Spending Cuts", and the like) but when a Democrat like Clinton or Kerry actually ACT on the premise, villification follows from the same lips.
The concept of a double standard occurs to me, of course, but it is even more than that.
We demonize each other when either side may want better things for this country of ours regardless of our approach to the myriad of problems.
When I am confronted with a mass of "spaghetti code" or a workbench full of Dumpster Dive treasures, the normal approach being that of throwing baby and bath water out together (or there would be no DD treasures) or trying to find the gold needle in the haystack and perfecting what was thought to be a pretty good idea by virtue of the fact that the code was written or the gizmo was actually manufactured the more economical course is not only more effective, but more fun.
I derive a great deal of pressure from the solution of problems, then I am faced with that sense of "nothing to do" until the next problem presents itself, when I am renewed in my interest in finding the next solution.
I do not know how you are, but I find the problems in this country to be soluble and fixable.
The moment that things are cut and dry and the concept of even "hope" is considered an objectionable or even subversive activity then I agree with you I am outta here.
IMHO the likelihood of less hope increases with the number of days of Bush's tenure and as he feels more and more complacent, though alarmist, and the citizens of this country feel less secure through his tactics of fear this becomes a less livable and viable place to be. | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
| Do you have a lisp? PFFT?
Dubya screwed up and is too stubborn to do the right thing. It makes me sick to watch him laugh and joke around with the blood of over 7500 of our servicemen on his hands. And for what? That's a big price to pay to take Saddam out of office... alive, might I add. And that was all negotiated anyway, it's not like we caught him ourselves.
I'm not anti-Bush, I'm PRO-America.
Here's some good reading for you: www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com
There's some good stuff in there. Don't reply to my post until you've read it... ALL.
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Nerdtalker
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| Re: freaking great said by wwdubbia :
There's some good stuff in there. Don't reply to my post until you've read it... ALL.
Just looking at the name, I'm gonna go with no.
Um.. No.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| said by Zorglub :
At least Kerry has a past we can check, not like our draft dodger war monger of a president.
Bush isn't running on his military record. He's running on what he has done in the past 4 years.
Kerry is; a military record BTW that are based on reports that Kerry himself wrote.
Go ahead vote him in. You think GWB is incompetent because that's what you've been told; because the economy doesn't "feel" like it is good; because you've been led to believe that there are no WMD's despite us having had them lobbed at us in the form of a mortar shells that were improperly launched and the fact that there are UN reports stating that they believe "proscribed devices" (ie: stuff the UN decided Saddam shouldn't have) where transported elsewhere based on the current state of the former monitoring sites and satellite photos.
If and when Kerry gets elected you will see true incompetence as Kerry cannot make up his mind when the pressure is on, and often makes poor decisions, that he then questions, when he is forced to do so.
This is why he has done absolutely nothing while he was in congress;
This is why he votes for stuff and then changes his mind;
This is why he is currently frantically trying to steer the campaign away from his war record;
This is why the stories from his fellow soldiers in Nam of him being first to flee from battle, and first to fire at anything that moved (including a family who's boat happened to get too close to his) fit his MO.
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| | | | | | | | | | Vivi
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join:2002-07-28
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| You think GWB is incompetent because that's what you've been told;because the economy doesn't "feel" like it is good,
Wow people never cease to amaze me...so we are just sheep then? Sounds like you suffer from that yourself...enjoy your fox news. Aside from taking away our liberties, the only thing this administration has done that stands out is the do not call list. Under the same logic every single one of the people challenging Kerrys record did not have the right to a metal. When I hear "oh we both wrote up our reports wrongfully", my bs detector is flashing red repeatedly.
BTW tell that to the millions of people who are now working wallmart. That's not just "liberal ramblings". You sound like you were living on mars and you only source of commumincation was a link to fox news channel. | |
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Pake
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1 edit | Re: freaking great Yes, blame Fox News, the one Republican news station out of the 20 Liberal ones that flood our boxes.
You might want to learn about economics some before talking about it, because most of the jobs losed were starting in 2000. Now, who was the president in 2000 again?
Why is it John Kerry refuses to let the public see his military records? Humm... funny, you'd think he'd want us to see them after he calls the Swiftboats liars. You'd think he'd want to prove he's not a BS'er.
Now, what's next on the list? Oh, how about the fact that the Liberal party is a bunch of hypocrites? "Geez people, those Republicans are so evil for questioning John Kerry's 3 purple hearts while all we do is compare him to Hitler and call him a liar, while accepting our $63mil from the government funds, compared to the $100,000 it took to make the Swiftboats commercial. Those Republicans are just so evil for doing such selfish things!"
I'm truly sorry that this is the first administration to actually do something in the past 8yrs other than have themselves "serviced". | |
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| Re: freaking great I know both parties are full of ****...But this administration is so horrible I'm willing to take my chances with Kerry.
There's a lot of corruption in this government anyhow...it's voting for the lesser evil. When I see the patriot act being used for things non terrorist related, it's time for a change.
And in any case these people actually believe that outsourcing is good...so they encourag shipping jobs away. So yes I'm pretty disgusted. And at the same time you see the people at the tops pay just raising tenfold. It wasn't 9/11 that killed the economy btw, companies were just looking for an excuse for cheap labor. I'd know, my own dad had to train his replacement from India. It's the fact that they are actually encouraging this kind of thing that is so horrifying. Then they wonder why no jobs are being created.
BTW when you talk about Kerry not releasing his records,why does it even matter? Is that any worse than Cheney not releasing the Halliburton records? It's been a proven fact that the company engaged in illegal activities while he was executive. So which is worse?
You are dead on when you say that democrats are hypocrites btw, it's amazing they don't draw the connection...criticising Bush Vietnam service then when they do the same thing, it's time to call foul...rofl that is bull**** | |
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join:2003-09-02
East Berlin, PA
1 edit | Re: freaking great As for war records, we have pansy Kerry, and AWOL Bush. I find it funny how the Republicans attack Kerry's record in Vietnam, at least Kerry volunteered (cough *Bush didn't serve, and Cheney weasled out of it * cough). As for Kerry bragging up his three purple hearts, that too, is equally retarded.
We have a nut job, or a waffle for President. Choose your poison. (I wonder why more people aren't in the middle and still questioning who to vote for... Seriously.) | |
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join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL
| Re: freaking great actual facts here folks.
Dick Cheney - five deferments to get out of going to Vietnam, John Ashcroft - seven deferment to get out of going to Vietnam. Bush - comfy spot in the National Guard that everyone knows people took to get out of going to Vietnam.
Kerry - volutneered for Nam.
we know who served honrably when our Nation called - and it wasn't anybody in Bush close circle. Powell is not really in Bush's close circle. | |
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Pake
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| I've yet to see the patriot act used for things nonterrorist related, so unless you provide some evidence, you can't claim it has been.
Also, nothing's really changed in terms of business practices since Clinton was in office, so you can't blame the Bush administration for something it hasn't touched. Even still, read through this: www.ofii.org/insourcing
Employment is roughly equal to that the Clinton administration had 4yrs into their term (»data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet). Now considering that the e-commerce boom died out around year 2000, causing tons of businesses to fold up, you had to admit that's pretty freakin good.
The records matter b/c he's trying to get votes off being in Vietnam, regardless of if he actually did anything there. Cheney's not running for president, so it really doesn't matter. However, if you want to start looking into those types of records, then you should look at both parties, b/c the Democrats are FAR from innocent themselves. | |
| | | | | | | | | Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Re: freaking great You gotta love some of the inconsistencies with the Republicans. They hated Clinton because he dodged the draft, yet they think nothing of Bush wizzling his way out of Vietnam. I'm just pointing it out. 
Kerry went to Vietnam, he served his country. Whether he deserves his purple hearts or not, I don't know, but at least he was there. Attacking him on his anti war record is completely unamerican. He served his country, that should at least earn him the right to speak his mind when back into civilian life.
Bush went to war with Irak when there actually was no clear and present danger. The whole thing was rammed through just so W could avenge his daddy. Result, we spent $100B and counting, but that's nothing compared to the ~1000 American lives lost so far. I supported the war back then, but I changed my mind when I realized we were lied to. If that does not bother you, go for it, vote W. Oh and by the way, attacking Irak made us less safe. What a waste. | |
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Pake
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| Re: freaking great said by Zorglub :
You gotta love some of the inconsistencies with the Republicans. They hated Clinton because he dodged the draft, yet they think nothing of Bush wizzling his way out of Vietnam. I'm just pointing it out.
Kerry went to Vietnam, he served his country. Whether he deserves his purple hearts or not, I don't know, but at least he was there. Attacking him on his anti war record is completely unamerican. He served his country, that should at least earn him the right to speak his mind when back into civilian life.
Bush went to war with Irak when there actually was no clear and present danger. The whole thing was rammed through just so W could avenge his daddy. Result, we spent $100B and counting, but that's nothing compared to the ~1000 American lives lost so far. I supported the war back then, but I changed my mind when I realized we were lied to. If that does not bother you, go for it, vote W. Oh and by the way, attacking Irak made us less safe. What a waste.
Big difference between getting out of the service before participating and moving to Canada.
So it's unAmerican to attack a person who attacked fellow vets and called them baby killers and rapist? Considering he was in Vietnam, that would make him just as much a baby killer and rapist as the next guy.
And about Bush going to war with no clear and present danger... funny, I clearly remember the Clinton administration saying there was. Oh wait, that's right, they just bomb the hell out of Baghdad and killed civilians instead of trying to remove a tyrant who murdered thousands upon thousands. If you're going to start whining about being lied to, then you better not start with the Bush admin, since they were only going off what the Clinton admin started. | |
| | | | | | | | | | Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Re: freaking great Dude, don't take quotes out of context. You have to read the whole thing. Kerry said that the heard from other fellow servicemen about rapes and killings. Furthermore, it probably happened, and that does not mean that the 99% who served their country honorably should be tainted by it.
As for Clinton, he admitted to dodging the draft, whereas Bush lies about it. Difference is that Clinton did not have his daddy to shelter him in some BS state service.
Don't put the Irak thing on Clinton. Bush and his warmongers friends are the ones that ramrodding the whole thing. Everybody agrees that Sadam was a tyrant, but that's not the point. We did not go there to save Irakis, we went there because of WMDs, which obviously don't exist. | |
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Pake
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| Re: freaking great Take quotes out of context? Find where I did that please.
Clinton dodged the draft, while Al Gore and GWB used their father's influence.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
Don't put the blame on Clinton's administration?
quote:
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
So somehow, in 5 yrs (1yr if you look at Gore's), Saddam magically removed all his WMD that the Democrats claimed he had? Amazing that it goes from a "fact" b/c the Liberals said it, to a lie b/c Republicans said it. | |
| | | | | | | | | | Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Re: freaking great You're right. I saw the light!!! Bush is a wonderful man who's leading our nation only out of the goodness of his heart toward a bright future. His energy policy is only dictated by a higher calling. His crusade to remove Saddam was noble and was inspired by Clinton's team of useless cronies.
Next thing you should do is deport all of us liberals who have the audacity to question W's wisdom to restore this nation to its 1950's grandeur. I suggest you deport us either to Canada or Europe.
Have a good day! | |
| | | | | | | | | | dlampkin12
join:2003-09-16
Clackamas, OR
| said by Zorglub :
Dude, don't take quotes out of context. You have to read the whole thing. Kerry said that the heard from other fellow servicemen about rapes and killings. Furthermore, it probably happened, and that does not mean that the 99% who served their country honorably should be tainted by it.
As for Clinton, he admitted to dodging the draft, whereas Bush lies about it. Difference is that Clinton did not have his daddy to shelter him in some BS state service.
Don't put the Irak thing on Clinton. Bush and his warmongers friends are the ones that ramrodding the whole thing. Everybody agrees that Sadam was a tyrant, but that's not the point. We did not go there to save Irakis, we went there because of WMDs, which obviously don't exist.
You are wrong. Kerry testified in front of Congress in 1971 that he had personal knowledge of atrocities, meaning HE COMMITTED THEM. Then in 1973, he says what you stated above, while being interviewed by Dick Cavett. SO, either he lied to Congress, a felony, or he committed war crimes...
As for not putting Iraq ( note the spelling) on Clinton... laughable. And saying WMDs obviously don't exist, tell that to the Kurds that were killed by them, and ask Syria where they are, because Saddam had plenty of time to ship them out of country, to wait for a better day to attack us. He miscalculated our resolve.
As for the Original Poster whining about the law cracking down on THIEVES,you suffer from a major flaw in MORAL CHARACTER. There is no way you can justify piracy.
Nuff said, you whining libbies make me vomit. | |
| | | | | | | | | | lvas
join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL
| gee get your head out of you know where. Kerry deserved the right to speak his mind on Nam - he was actually trying to get us out of a war that was worthless. are you trying to rewrite history here and say that Vietnam was a good/just war? as to Atrocities that happened over there – sure it was a common thing. Everybody that I have ever talked to about Nam that was in actual combat witnessed such things sooner are later. it was just that type of war - where you didn’t know who was going to
Shoot at you – so you took it out on folks. Anybody that says atrocities didn’t happen on
Almost a everyday basis somewhere in nam is A liar. Now was every atrocitie a Mi Ling – no of course not. | |
| | | | | | BizFinancing
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join:2003-01-10
Port Orchard, WA
| Not to take the side of either Democrats or Republicans, but some of the current economic issues are not entirely GWB's fault (not that he is likely to have prevented them either), but some stem back to policies and practices that were put into effect when Clinton was in office.
Remember, many of our legal safegaurds that were in place were removed during the Clinton Administration and we are now feeling the fall out from many of those (eg. deregulation of the power industry for one).
Anyways, it seems we are getting away from the original topic of this posting by bashing each other based on political ideologies.
I for one have no problem if the government actually performs their duties by enforcing our laws such as copyright protections ..... as long as they do so fairly for all matter that is protected under such law, not one's that will benefit a few indutries or coporations who have become modern day rober barons. | |
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K4P
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Yowzaaah
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| Here's a clue Injecting the opinion of France into any debate is a sure way to alienate your audience.
Even Woody Allen hates the French....hell, the French hate the French.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Re: freaking great said by devrandom :
Better to sometimes have a person who is not willed to forge ahead like a bull, but perhaps take a second look at things and make a better decision.
There is a big difference between taking another look at something and becoming ineffective because you second guess every single decision.
said by devrandom :
As for firing and fleeing first- it was war. Kill or be killed. I would expect no less. I suppose that the people telling those tales were right on his tail running, because dead men tell no tales.
Oh so taking out civvies, just in case, is a good idea. Because if what the other people who were there are telling the truth then that's what Kerry did, even got a bronze star for it... but that's what happens when a small family becomes VC between the event and the report.
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Maxo
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| ...that this could go from copyright law right or wrong to bush/kerry right or wrong for absolutely no reason. You guys sure know how to have an intelligent conversation. I like cheese grits dammit.
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join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX
| said by Combat Chuck :
Even habitual liars who's past is a construct of their own imagination supported by the official documentation which was conveniently written by the liars themselves?
Good grief.. is this the official Republican spin on the Swift Boat scam? Scary, truly scary! | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Re: freaking great So I guess that following the logic of those who believe the Swift boat vets are a scam, that all the left wing organizations that are funded by rich democrats can be considered scams as well?
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howie
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join:2003-04-08
Little Falls, NJ
| You just knew someone would come along and blame Bush...
It's the Hollywood ultra-liberal types (and Kerry backers) who are the biggest advocates of anti-piracy laws. Does the Digital Millenium Copyright Act enacted during Clinton's term ring a bell? I think Kerry voted against it before he voted for it...
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| | xpandergt
join:2004-07-10
Baltimore, MD
| Open up mouth and insert foot. Genius its the Record Industry and Hollywood that put pressure on the law makers to draft legislation, Ashcroft is only the enforcer. I do some file sharing once and awhile, I feel Iam doing the record industry and hollywood a favor. One less dollar they make off me is one less dollar he or she has to snort up their noses lol. So actually Iam saving them from themselves lol. Anyways this is all for show, they only filed over 700 suits so far and there are MILLIONS of net users that used p2p. They feel by making examples of the few the many will fall.lol Anyways lay off of Ashcroft he is just doing his job. Bottom Line, don't hate the player HATE THE GAME!! Think about it! | |
| | jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Next Bush in Office Better Have A Dress
2 Arguments i have given to why Bush is an utter waste of American Pride... The only thing this man should do is admit hes a complete failure..
Argument 1) Kerry never admitted to war crimes.. Read the testimony. He was reporting accounts of what happened.. So thats a lie on the Bush front.. Second, Im sure any duty Kerry did, beats what Bush has done.. Stateside and awol baby.. But daddy's money got em that one.. Third, Bush has lost the most jobs and has had a negative growth increase, the first time in any presidential history... The economy sucks.. We are in another vietnam war to finish what papa Bush started, but did so only to liberate kuwait.. People argue war crimes, but that happend in 1990, when bush rushed to saved kuwait, NOT DEPOSE SADDAM when it happened.... Politicians are never good, they will all screw u, but at least some are more scruptulous than others
Agrument 2) Ok lets resolve the fallacies stated here. First the genocide happened during Bush's Daddy's term who ignored it... But he did go and help kuwait because those oil fields OVER VALUE any human life in the Bush family eyes. Second, during that time, Bush Sr was bushing giving weapons to Afghanistan to help fight the russians, and then turned his back on them, and left the country up s**ts creek. Third, we give medals for killing people. Not to downgrade your nice honor, but last time i checked, kill someone on your own accord its murder, but kill someone for the government and you are a hero.. world hypocracy..... And finally, no the democrats arent perfect, by no means.. they are politicians, but they generally avoid entering wars... Clinton had somalia with the best of intents and that backfired like no tomorrow with soldiers being dragged... But his motive was humanitarian, hence no one Bashed Clinton... Bush on the other hand, is far from a great humanitarian.. Hes liberating the oil fields
Both these i posted in response to others.. Put in plain context President Bush is no more than nitwit.. who uses simple lymerics to persue his agenda.. Anyone that begs otherwise... show some proof of what this man has done.. Actions speak for themselves. | |
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PunkGod
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| said by technick :
You might stop some of us, but you won't stop all of us...I can't wait to get ashcroft out of office, him and his fake crusade for private america. See what having a freaking twit in the white house will do? Ugh... Ranting till the end of time won't change the mind of some.
We can say the same for kerry. Hes a bigger idiot than bush. You want this country to fall deeper in crap then go ahead and vote kerry. | |
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I_hate_thieves
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| Yes, that's right folks. None other than Thomas Jefferson wants you to steal other people's work and avoid paying for any kind of music or movies.
That's right. The big, mean government won't let me steal as much free music as I can get my hands on, so they're tyrranical. It's George Bush's fault I cant just take whatever music I want for free.
Uh-huh. Yeah. Down with the man! Steal more stuff! Yay thieves! | |
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Yowzaaah
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| Re: freaking great Thomas Jefferson was a drunken, lazy, slave raping, "idea man" who inserted copyright into the constitution as a means of safeguarding his ability to sit on his ass and think deep thoughts.
Somehow, I think that even he would be stunned at the ever present tentacle type reach of today's copyright law (delighted....but stunned nonetheless).
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| | jc100
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| Hate to burst your bubbble, but all soldiers in vietnam did that. However, Kerry never admitted to genocide physically taking a gun to someones head ( IE like prisoner taken outside and executed), during combat. He was of no high rank and simply did what had to be done. War is war sometimes, and irrational things are done. But look at ANY WAR and 95 percent of people do things, they would never do in real life. Yet i still don't believe that his burning houses down constituted an atrocity should it be true. Bush on the other hand was to much of a BITCH to serve the country. Where was he, other than gettin drunk at parties? At least Kerry volunteered to put his life on the line, and received medals. Those swiftboat ads are bullshit. Even Bush himself admitted on tv they were funded by soft money and he denounced them
( probably for fear his record would be use.. of being awol). If i were Kerry, I'd be pumping the disgraces of Bush on tv left and right. His approach has been way to passive on commercials if you ask me. But this topic aside, go ahead and refute my other claims. Didn't see one person defend Papa Bush's actions to liberate Kuwait and let Saddam commit Mass genocide 15 years ago... Yet, 15 years later, when Iraq has no WMDS, CIA / FBI deemed it had no links to terror, and Saddam stopped the genocide during papa Bush term, we invade it for the oil on a bogus basis, to bring pride to the family cause Bush SR was a dunce like his son. Black gold is the only reason 1000 americans are dead, and more will die. I never saw Bush in open combat, and nor we will ever. It is always easier to send others to do your bidding when it isnt your life, kids life, or friends life, that pay the price. This man has to go. If there is a real terrorist in office, its Bush himself for Bullying the world.. Who i might add crawled back to the UN that refused to back him in his cowboy efforts... Thanks Bush now the world hates us more. | |
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teambnet
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| Need I remind you that the DCMA- a much more intrusive law than the PATRIOT act (DCMA hands government powers to private corporations)- was proposed, drafted and signed into law by a democratic president (who incidently was financially supported by Hollywood over his opponents by a ratio of 9 to 1).
John Kerry currently benifits from roughtly the same level of direct financial support AND 2 of the 3 largest anti-Bush 527 groups. What do you think they're buying with their money?
BTW if Ass-croft was that militant about piracy and P2P don't you think he'd have started this endeavor a little sooner than the last 6 months of his term in office? | |
| | sfguy461
join:2001-10-26
Austin, TX | The Gestapo strikes again!
Vote out Bush, for no other reason, than to get rid of John Ashcroft and his storm troopers. | |
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| At what time will law conform to society? What is the DOJ going to do when they find out 90% of the online community is guilty of piracy in some form? Martial Internet Law!!! I say change the law. Add a stupid media tax to ISP charges to shut the studios and companies up. Yes, I would pay up to $5.00 per month as a charity to keep the DOJ off P2P networks backs. Backward blackmail if you would. Where was the DOJ when the Dual tape deck debut? Heres an Idea. Lets just start P2P Lan Partys. No wireless nics alowed. Then what? Outright Invation of Privacy?
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tadmaz
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Mount Prospect, IL | ... It said "required to share 100 GB" so was this through DC? | |
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Kim Jong
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| Re: ... said by tadmaz :
It said "required to share 100 GB" so was this through DC?
Yes.
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technick
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Bergenfield, NJ | .... mommy plz make them stop...lol what a bunch of lammers | |
| blueeyez112
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Carmel, IN | tax dollars There's nothing our hard earned money being used to stop pirated software, is it a total harm? How about focusing on drugs? Murders? THE WAR IN IRAQ? Is there something just a little bit more important??? | |
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antiphishing
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| Ashcroft Vs. File Traders What happened to Ashcroft verses spammers?
I think the Department of Justice is biting off more then it can chew. Let's break into every Americans home and see if they file share or send out junk email. The United States is becoming like North Korea with it's oppressive government.
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jaa
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| Re: Ashcroft Vs. File Traders Not into everyone's just those about whom they have enough evidence to convince a judge that they are conducting illegal activities.
AFAIK, that is how it has worked for a long time - even before Al Gore invented teh internet and file sharing.
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| | Freezone
join:2000-09-29
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| said by antiphishing :
Let's break into every Americans home and see if they file share or send out junk email.
If they kill the spammers I would personal forgive the intrusion and loss of freedoms | |
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| The nerve!! Ashcroft has some nerve - actually doing what he is paid to do and enforcing laws. Why can't he by like the rest of the bureaucrats and do nothing.
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey | lame I cant believe they wasted time on this. This is so lame, so basicly even if your not pirating data, they can still invesigate you ?
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| | shit
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Skowhegan, ME | Re: lame I guess its fun for them,"hey let's bust into someones computer for the hell of it while pretending to be enforcing the law" | |
| | | MrShoop
join:2003-05-20
Manhattan Beach, CA
| Re: lame The blurb said each person had 100GB of pirated material. So how is this not legit to crack down on?
I download music, but I know the risk and won't whine if I get caught. If you have 100GB of data floating on a p2p network, and you get busted, you are an idiot. What did you expect??? There is nothing noble about straight up piracy. This shouldn;t get mixed in with thr right of p2p networks to exist (they totally do) or the Dangermouse Grey Album nonsense (art). But please SPARE me the tears when a 0 day warez site goes down. You should be using usenet anyway. ;] | |
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| Laws There are quite a few laws I don't agree with either, but if I break them and get caught, I expect to be punished.
At least we're safer now than we were in the 90's, when Reno would have you killed if you were a branch davidian, or kill your family if you sold shotguns to federal agents. | |
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clubs: | Re: Laws He should go put underware on another statue. | |
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moko
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Fayetteville, GA | i agree ...... Nax 1 | |
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SND2005
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1 edit | Kerry lovers..... I dont agree with the MPAA or RIAA either, but Ashcroft is just doing the job he was elected to do, don't pin your lefty hate on him becuase of your miss-guided Hollywood organized hate for Republicans...
btw- I used to run DC++ and share a lot more than that, but I got wise. These people got caught fair and sqaure. Belly up and deal with it. | |
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avd706
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1 edit | Re: Kerry lovers..... said by SND2005 :
..., but Ashcroft is just doing the job he was elected to do, don't pin your lefty hate on him ...
who elected Ashcroft? | |
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SND2005
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Im Over Here | Re: Kerry lovers..... His job is appointed, not elected. (Same as FBI, joint chiefs and the like) | |
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clubs: | Re: Kerry lovers..... Hey, I remember that one | |
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avd706
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
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| I Wonder How the DOJ got an invite into the network?
Something smells like entrapment to me.
Makes nice press but these folks will plead out and the fines will be less than the legal fees.
Not saying it's right but in the words of gwion, "Just the facts sir"  | |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| Rule What about the original rule stated when MP3s were first invented?
Wasn't it that you can download MP3s (with any copyrighted material) as long as they are deleted within 24 hours?
Wind your clocks back! lol
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CPM
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Miami, FL | Re: Rule shoot 100 gigs of music that is a @!#!@ load of music. | |
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ha ha ha
@mindspring.com | Re: Rule its 100gig or PIRATED MATERIALS!! not music... but still, that's alot of sh!t... good thing i don't use DC++... | |
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ifarrell
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| Re: Rule said by ha ha ha:
its 100gig or PIRATED MATERIALS!! not music... but still, that's alot of sh!t... good thing i don't use DC++...
and a lot of it probably was just sh!t.
Anyone arrogant enough to post that much material deserves to get caught.
You gotta know your days are numbered unless you shift it around a lot but then there's always some greedy snitch that might tell on you anyway.
They (Ashcroft & Co.) can try and fight this little war but they'll never win and never catch up.
All they'll do is catch the big guys and miss all us little fish. | |
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Combat Chuck
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| That was never a rule. It's just as much copyright infringement if you keep the file for 1 minute or for 3 years if you download the file but don't have the right to have the music (ie: the cd).
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| kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
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| what is legal to share online? Since in my belief 99% of all audio and video content one would want to share is illegal to share because of copyright crap, and hence the reason for this mess, I was just wondering is there any audio or video content that is perfectly legal to share? I get the impression that the very act of sharing any file that is audio or video is grounds for copyright violation! This is getting sick. If they want to totally stop us using technologies and sharing stuff then gee why don't they just shut down the whole internet? Let's face it sharing data is one of the most basic tasks done on the net, and we shouldn't be put in the same class as murderers just because people are sharing content! | |
| | underscore
join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA
| Re: what is legal to share online? said by kd6cae :
Since in my belief 99% of all audio and video content one would want to share is illegal to share because of copyright crap, and hence the reason for this mess, I was just wondering is there any audio or video content that is perfectly legal to share? I get the impression that the very act of sharing any file that is audio or video is grounds for copyright violation! This is getting sick. If they want to totally stop us using technologies and sharing stuff then gee why don't they just shut down the whole internet? Let's face it sharing data is one of the most basic tasks done on the net, and we shouldn't be put in the same class as murderers just because people are sharing content!
Don't share or download anything that is copyrighted unless you have expressed permission by the holder! Otherwise don't be surprised when the feds come a'knockin. I know I won't (definitely NOT) .
It's that simple. | |
| rennogsd1996
join:2004-08-25
Morgantown, WV
| military service Regardless of which branch they served in, what kind of service they had, both served their country in one capacity or another. I am a Bushh person, but that doesnt mean I don't respect Kerry for his military service. I served in the United States Navy for three years not during war. I was in a port on a ship for most of the time but regardless I am proud of that service and I served a purpose.
We all know that when we keep the mp3s, movies and stuff on our pc's for sharing that it is breaking the law. some of us get caught, some don't. The best thing we can do is be cautious and try to run programs such as peer guardian and firewalls to protect ourselves, and perhaps only use private hubs or forums.
Let's not argue amongst ourselves because we are brothers and sisters in this until we are all either arrested or fined or until they start letting us do what we want. Take care and Have a great day. | |
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1 edit | Asscroft They probably had to tell him what p2p was just before he made his statement.
"John, remember, it's peer to peer, not peepee" | |
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AzzKicker
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clubs: | idiots The liberals that post here on BBr are MORONS | |
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GTaylor
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clubs: | Re: idiots 99.99% of political posts on message boards are from idiots, doesn't matter their preferences - they're all idiots. | |
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| | | zeyyxe
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|  Re: idiots and more idiots
Which one these three do you support? | 
Ever see this happen in reality? | 
Genuine HEROS! |
When John Kerry was about to graduate Yale in 1966, he applied for a college deferment to "study in France." When he was turned down and knew he was going to be drafted, he chose to enlist in the Navy.
When George W. Bush graduated from Yale in 1968, his birthday was safe from the draft. However, when he enlisted as a fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard, his TANG unit was currently SERVING in Vietnam. When George W. Bush finished his training, it was his TANG unit that were dispatched to shadow Soviet Migs that constantly tested US airspace while flying in and out of Cuba.
When John Kerry questioned George W, Bush's military service, GWB released all of his military records, including dental records. To this day, John Kerry has not released his self nominations for his medals. How many of your brother vets do you know did that, or were given an early out for 3 purple hearts?
While it is fact that George Bush was reassigned to an Alabama National Guard unit, and given permission to work on a congressman's political campaign, nobody seems to mention that
John Kerry was given an early out of the Navy to run for Congress, but dropped out of that race and became a leader of the Jane Fonda funded Vietnam Vets Against the War.
While a Naval Reserve Officer, John Kerry marched under the North Vietnam Flag in protests, testifyed to Congress that he had committed war crimes, and accused his brothers in Vietnam of unspeakable atrocities. These speeches were used by the NVN to torture and break US POW's.
In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum ("War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. They agree Kerry was a war hero.
Of course, this is the point that the group that accepts the explainations of, "it depends on what is is," and "I voted for it, before I voted against it," as reasonable, cannot debate me on the facts I presented, but will attack me.
To keep from leaving myself open, so someone can change the
focus from the points I made, yes, I volunteered for the Navy, without being drafted.
However, the fact is, I am not running for anything. It was in fact, John Kerry's former commanders, and fellow swiftboat vets that WERE THERE, and have problems with him, and they have the right to say so.
True, military service (or lack of it) can be an indicator of character. Generally, the minute details of what happened 35 or 40 years ago are hardly relevant to the real issues of today. The answers on how to deal with the economy, healthcare costs, and education were not learned on a Southeast Asia battlefield.
If you recall, It was John Kerry himself, who back in 1992, when Bill Clinton's Vietnam non-service was at issue, pleaded, "We do not have to divide America over who served and how."
Then, what agenda did John Kerry set for the Democrat National Convention? The convention focused on John Kerry's four month tour of Vietnam, and not the 18 years he spent in the US Senate.
Why didn't John Kerry talk about the leadership and vision he had for solving the real problems of America? Why didn't John Kerry talk about all of the brilliant bills he authored, and how they have demonstrated his intellectual ability for creative solutions to age old problems? Why didn't John Kerry talk about why he is rated the most
liberal US Senator out of 100 (by liberal organizations themselves), and how that would bring America together instead of dividing it?
Why didn't we hear as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA in the early 1990s, John Kerry lobbied zealously for normalized relations with Vietnam? As a result, his cousin, C. Stewart Forbes, was able to broker a billion-dollar deal between Hanoi and Colliers International, a large company based in his home state of Massachusetts.
Why didn't John Kerry explain how George W. Bush's $10 million dollar wealth, qualifys him to be part of the rich and elite, while Teresa Kerry's over half a billion dollars, makes John Kerry more in touch with the poor working class?
Why didn't John Kerry explain why it is relevant that President Bush allegedly missed some time while serving his country in the National Guard decades ago, but it is not relevant that John Kerry failed to represent his own constituents almost two-thirds of the time last session?
Certainly, I salute all that served and thank you for your service to your country, but also remember that Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, and a sniper in a campus tower in Texas, also received honorable discharges. Just as all that served are not misdirected murderers, we cannot base everything on the fact that someone served.
As a registered Democrat, I am so ashamed of the direction the party has went, and the insane hypocrisy that it preaches. While I believe it is a woman's right to choose, I question how many of the 1.5 million abortions a year are due to rape, incest, and health of the mother.
Why is it that only the mother has a say in an abortion, yet the father can be held 100% financially responsible for the support of that child for 20 some years. Why is it that over half of the abortions are women having repeat abortions, some two, three, four, and even five times?
Again, while I believe in a woman's right to choose, I find the shear numbers of over 4000 babies deaths a day as horrifically obscene. Yet, it is my fellow democrats that scream about the death of 1000 soldiers in 3 years that chose to volunteer, and were honorably fighting the war on terrorism, while defending womens right to choose to abort 4000 innocent babies a day.
In closing, I do not understand why American citizens continue to argue over military service of 30 or 40 years ago, while in my humble opinon, everyone should be concerned about the war on terrorism, taxes, employment, skyrocketing health care costs, and education. | |
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YourAzzIsGrass
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|  You can run, but you can't hide !!!
Despite all the sh*t written in these threads by 13 year old kids who think they are above the law and able to hide from the law, you are in for a BIG, BIG surprise. You CAN be seen and you ARE being seen, and you WILL go to jail. Lie to yourself if you like but no one is going to allow you or any other person to STEAL and or distribute copyright protected materials.
GAME OVER - Go to JAIL!!!
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Chummin' fer publicity Hmmm, things must be boring on the terrorist front and all the murders, rapist, etc are in the big house. Ashcroft has to keep his name in the media some how. | |
| jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Next Bush in Office Better Have A Dress 2 Arguments i have given to why Bush is an utter waste of American Pride... The only thing this man should do is admit hes a complete failure..
Argument 1) Kerry never admitted to war crimes.. Read the testimony. He was reporting accounts of what happened.. So thats a lie on the Bush front.. Second, Im sure any duty Kerry did, beats what Bush has done.. Stateside and awol baby.. But daddy's money got em that one.. Third, Bush has lost the most jobs and has had a negative growth increase, the first time in any presidential history... The economy sucks.. We are in another vietnam war to finish what papa Bush started, but did so only to liberate kuwait.. People argue war crimes, but that happend in 1990, when bush rushed to saved kuwait, NOT DEPOSE SADDAM when it happened.... Politicians are never good, they will all screw u, but at least some are more scruptulous than others
Agrument 2) Ok lets resolve the fallacies stated here. First the genocide happened during Bush's Daddy's term who ignored it... But he did go and help kuwait because those oil fields OVER VALUE any human life in the Bush family eyes. Second, during that time, Bush Sr was bushing giving weapons to Afghanistan to help fight the russians, and then turned his back on them, and left the country up s**ts creek. Third, we give medals for killing people. Not to downgrade your nice honor, but last time i checked, kill someone on your own accord its murder, but kill someone for the government and you are a hero.. world hypocracy..... And finally, no the democrats arent perfect, by no means.. they are politicians, but they generally avoid entering wars... Clinton had somalia with the best of intents and that backfired like no tomorrow with soldiers being dragged... But his motive was humanitarian, hence no one Bashed Clinton... Bush on the other hand, is far from a great humanitarian.. Hes liberating the oil fields
Both these i posted in response to others.. Put in plain context President Bush is no more than nitwit.. who uses simple lymerics to persue his agenda.. Anyone that begs otherwise... show some proof of what this man has done.. Actions speak for themselves. | |
| | Nax1
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| | MrShoop
join:2003-05-20
Manhattan Beach, CA
| said by jc100 :
Argument 1) Kerry never admitted to war crimes.. Read the testimony. He was reporting accounts of what happened.. So [...]
You are misinformed. In the senate testimony, he reported war crimes, which weren't necessarily committed by him, but after his testimony, in a debate with fellow democrat John O'Neill, he did admit to war crimes. Here is exactly what he said, and I'll proved a link to the video at c-span so you can see it for yourself:
I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones and I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva Conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the applications of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty.
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04_rwh081504.rm
to see the debate which is great | |
| | | jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Re: Next Bush in Office Better Have A Dress Hate to burst your bubbble, but all soldiers in vietnam did that. However, Kerry never admitted to genocide physically taking a gun to someones head ( IE like prisoner taken outside and executed), during combat. He was of no high rank and simply did what had to be done. War is war sometimes, and irrational things are done. But look at ANY WAR and 95 percent of people do things, they would never do in real life. Yet i still don't believe that his burning houses down constituted an atrocity should it be true. Bush on the other hand was to much of a BITCH to serve the country. Where was he, other than gettin drunk at parties? At least Kerry volunteered to put his life on the line, and received medals. Those swiftboat ads are bullshit. Even Bush himself admitted on tv they were funded by soft money and he denounced them
( probably for fear his record would be use.. of being awol). If i were Kerry, I'd be pumping the disgraces of Bush on tv left and right. His approach has been way to passive on commercials if you ask me. But this topic aside, go ahead and refute my other claims. Didn't see one person defend Papa Bush's actions to liberate Kuwait and let Saddam commit Mass genocide 15 years ago... Yet, 15 years later, when Iraq has no WMDS, CIA / FBI deemed it had no links to terror, and Saddam stopped the genocide during papa Bush term, we invade it for the oil on a bogus basis, to bring pride to the family cause Bush SR was a dunce like his son. Black gold is the only reason 1000 americans are dead, and more will die. I never saw Bush in open combat, and nor we will ever. It is always easier to send others to do your bidding when it isnt your life, kids life, or friends life, that pay the price. This man has to go. If there is a real terrorist in office, its Bush himself for Bullying the world.. Who i might add crawled back to the UN that refused to back him in his cowboy efforts... Thanks Bush now the world hates us more. | |
| | MrShoop
join:2003-05-20
Manhattan Beach, CA
| One more Kerry quotation refuting your argument that Kerry is more "scruptulous", or at least that he never admitted to war crimes. This is from his appearance on meet the press.
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ | Slightly off-point... ...but 100 gigs is WEAK MAN! They make it sound so huge, when I've seen people sharing a few terabytes of shit on T3 lines. Ah, who cares anyway; they can't win the war. | |
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join:2002-06-25
Ohio City, OH | Re: Slightly off-point... This sounds like the old drug wars in the 80's " tear it down, they put up another one" same concept with P2P. shut one down another one pops up. | |
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BOGBS
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join:2004-05-11
Saco, ME | exactly, look how the "war" on drugs is going... | |
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m7dt428
join:2004-02-16
West Chester, OH
| Re: Slightly off-point... Ive seen hubs sharing 652 Terabytes with a whole lot of users.Sadly whenever I try to go in my internet disconnects and i have to unplug the USB Ethernet Adapter to get it working again | |
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BOGBS
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join:2004-05-11
Saco, ME | Re: Slightly off-point... trash that usb for sure. usb enet adapter=trouble  e | |
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