navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | Patches Galore!
But IE users just love all the patches that Microsoft comes out with! * rolls eyes * - please switch to a real browser Mozilla Firefox |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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But IE users just love all the patches that Microsoft comes out with! * rolls eyes * - please switch to a real browser Mozilla Firefox
Don't be so smug. Firecrap has patches too.
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Yet amazingly it's not "integrated" with the OS and so it isn't directly affected by 87% of Windows patch requirements.
In any case, I continue to recommend the Mozilla suite over the standalone Fireweasel.
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| reply to Matt
said by Matt :
said by navalpatel :
But IE users just love all the patches that Microsoft comes out with! * rolls eyes * - please switch to a real browser Mozilla Firefox
Don't be so smug. Firecrap has patches too.
That's a given. Every single thing has patches. The Mozilla team fixes patches infinitely faster then MS ever will. MS basically says "our users aren't having problems with this exploit" then a week later hell breaks loose and then a month later MS gets a fix out. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by B :
Yet amazingly it's not "integrated" with the OS and so it isn't directly affected by 87% of Windows patch requirements.
In any case, I continue to recommend the Mozilla suite over the standalone Fireweasel.
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If you're not applying 87% of Windows patches, you have a much larger problem than what browser you're running. 
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B
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join:2000-10-28
| I disagree. I almost NEVER apply Windows patches. I really don't see a need to, unless there's a specific bug to address or unless the machine (server) is directly exposed to the Internet.
I could say, if you're running a generic Windows workstation without personal firewall software and without protection from an external NAT router or firewall, you have a much larger problem than what patches you've applied.
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SpitefulCrow
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA | reply to B
Firefox and Thunderbird!
What would I want the overhead of the entire suite for when I can have two separate and lighter apps to do the same thing? |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
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Because the total is about the same anyway, and because the full suite is a more mature and stable product that doesn't require excessive extensions?
(Talking out of butt -- don't know resource footprint numbers.)
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exocet_cm
In memory of dadkins
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join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
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both browsers, IE6sp1 and Mozilla Firefox 0.9.3
Yes, I agree IE looks like a block of swiss cheese at a dairy shop, but alot of people do not posses the technical knowhow to understand that IE has major security flaws. They might hear it in the news, but if it is easy to use, and they haven't ran into problems, they won't switch.
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File Quit
Mac Geek
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join:2002-11-28
| Finally...
all can see the light which is the path to a new browser. I really hope one of these browsers has great surges in popularity.
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dragonhorse
join:2004-06-30
Ottawa, ON | anti-IE!!!
I agree with anti-IE... IE have too many problems and a lot of the times the fixes are slow or sometimes open up a different hole somewhere else instead (its true)
dragonhorse.... |
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jplove71
IBEW 113
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join:2001-03-16
Colorado Springs, CO
| reply to Matt
Re: Patches Galore!
said by Matt :
said by navalpatel :
But IE users just love all the patches that Microsoft comes out with! * rolls eyes * - please switch to a real browser Mozilla Firefox
Don't be so smug. Firecrap has patches too.
While this is true, the developers of Mozilla/Mozilla Firefox don't wait several months to patch their browser.
If I recall correctly, IE is still susceptible to phishing!
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Rhobite
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join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
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said by Matt :
said by navalpatel :
But IE users just love all the patches that Microsoft comes out with! * rolls eyes * - please switch to a real browser Mozilla Firefox
Don't be so smug. Firecrap has patches too.
Hah, Firecrap. That's as bad as the people who insist on writing "M$" instead of "MS."
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Rhobite
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join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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said by jplove71 :
If I recall correctly, IE is still susceptible to phishing!
Um, phishing is a social engineering attack. Any browser is susceptible, given the right user.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| Wrong focus.
as a web standards organization they should be spending time on promoting STANDARDS, not bashing other browsers.
At any rate, I thought we already have a web standards body, it is called the World Wide Web Consortium. I don't see why we need another one. |
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T0rn
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join:2001-05-11
USA
1 edit | Blah, blah, blah...
Even simple sites with JavaScript do not appear correctly with Firefox. Also, you have a far better chance of pages operating correctly if you are using Internet Explorer rather than those other piece of crap 3rd party browsers.
IE is more comptabile, more integrated, more practical, and faster. More programs, that I've used, are designed to work with IE.
Thank you. I'll be sticking with IE.
(Try changing the directory for your History, Favorites, Cookies, and Temporary Internet Files with Firefox.)
(Start typing the shortcut name of a Favorites entry, and select it. Wait, can't do that in Firefox.) |
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fuzz
Fuzz
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join:2000-06-05
FuzzLand
·AT&T Southeast
|  The ULTIMATE Authority
Take heed to this quote..... It is from the mouth of GOD!!
The Inquirer, US Government warns against Internet Explorer:
The US Government has sent out a warning out to internet users through its Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), pleading users to stop using Microsoft’s Internet Explorer.
YOU BETTER STOP USING I.E. NOW!!!!
Why? Cuz the Bible told me so.
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Trivista
join:2003-11-11
Longview, TX | reply to Matt
Re: Patches Galore!
And what is it that you do not like about FireFox? |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
| FireFox is better
OK, FireFox is better and it's what I use. But I consider them both to be good browsers. Are there any outstanding issues with IE6 SP2? I believe the latest version of IE is sufficiently secure, meaning there are no current bugs that allow a malicious page to execute code.
Of course if we're basing our decisions on Microsoft's past history, we probably shouldn't trust the latest IE. But that's a much weaker argument than this site is making: they're saying "IE can make your computer unsafe," then linking to four very nontechnical newspaper articles as their only justification for making this claim. Two of the articles are about vulnerabilities, one of which is an unpreventable spyware/ActiveX attack (made much more difficult by SP2's ActiveX blocker) and the other one was patched by MS04-025. The other two newspaper articles are about non-security "quality of browsing" issues such as popups.
I'm not pretending that IE is better than FireFox. Indeed it's much worse. But the claim they are making is "IE can make your computer unsafe" and as far as I can tell, they have not backed up that claim. If you don't agree with this post, go ahead, flame away but I will not respond to personal attacks.
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28 | reply to Rhobite
Re: Patches Galore!
I believe the reference is to IE's willingness to display false information in both the URL box and the status bar.
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