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I can't believe Ashcroft is doing something useful. I had hoped he would end his political career after losing the u.s. senate race (for MO) to a dead man. |
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joebear29
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He did not lose the governor's race to a dead man. Check your facts.
that's correct. however, he still lost to a dead man.
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Senate, Govenor whatever the point is.....he still lost to a dead man...
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said by morbo :
that's correct. however, he still lost to a dead man.
Right he lost to Mel Carnahan in the race for the senate even though Carnahan died in a plane crash weeks before the election.
Which shows that people in his home state preferred a corpse to Ashcroft. (Ok not really) |
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Since the DMA is fundamentally co-authors of the ineffective Can Spam Act, they've been under the gun to prove they aren't just part of the problem.
I'll believe it when I see it.
What we haven't seen yet are the full ramifications of the You-Can-Spam Act, when mainsleaze companies begin filling your already overflowing inbox with "legitimate" offers; all because it's legal, bought and paid for by the DMA.
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Re: ashcroft doing something useful??
Does this forum always have to turn most anything involving our government into a political flap?
What about the news event that happened?
It would probably be good for all concerned who have political comments to go over to Swift Boat Vets or Move On Org and post them there instead of here.
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Re: ashcroft doing something useful??
my point: ashcroft is doing something useful with the spam fighting. unusual! |
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Re: Politics...
Don't get me wrong, I am very much anti "big brother" but if the government had not broken up AT&T in the early 1980's, we'd probably be lucky to be running 28.8 kbs and paying a fortune for it to boot.
The thing that ticks me off is everything something is mentioned about the "government" doing something, all of the anti-Bush or anti-Kerry folks want to turn it into a political bash instead of a technical debate.
If we don't agree with something that has been done by a branch of the government, then bash the technical merits and not personal (and especially political) attacks. |
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Re: ashcroft doing something useful??
I've always found the dead man thing to be a rather cheap shot at Ashcroft. True, the guy whose name was on the ballet was dead, but it was made clear his widow would be appointed if he won the race, so everyone who voted was really voting for his widow, not for the dead guy.
Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Ashcroft, but there are so many substantive ways to attack him that the whole "dead man" thing seems petty. |
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Re: Politics...
Sorry, but Ashcroft deserves special recognition for his failing to address issues that are relevant to the day, and his lack of compassion buries him deep in his own muck. |
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What we haven't seen yet are the full ramifications of the You-Can-Spam Act
I'm not holding my breath, either, but I think I could live with a relatively smaller number of "legitimate" offers. If it's effectiveness is something like DNC, which still leaves me with a few political campaigns and opinion polls calling, I could live with that; I ignore those people anyway, and they seem to get the hint and drop me off their lists. Also, if it's CAN-SPAM compliant, you should be able to fairly readily unsubscribe. |
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Re: ashcroft doing something useful??
said by morbo :
I can't believe Ashcroft is doing something useful. I had hoped he would end his political career after losing the u.s. senate race (for MO) to a dead man.
Ashcroft....... Whos Ashcroft....... 
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He did not lose the governor's race to a dead man. Check your facts.
LOL.
This comment raises the term spinmeister to a new level...
»www.thefreedictionary.com/spinmeister |
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I've figured since the beginning that it would take a while to see prosecutions start to develop out of the CAN-SPAM act, so that we could really judge how effective it is - or isn't. It sounds like some things are being done right, like thorough investigations using "honeypots" and other technical means, and prosecutors trying to "flip" the first of those caught to turn in others.
The involvement of the DMA shows to me that they have an interest in seeing that the volume of bulk mail in users' mailboxes is not so large that it all gets ignored, which I think means they have a real interest in reducing the volume dramatically rather than just replacing it with their own. If 99.5% of bulk e-mail is not DMA-compliant, I am guessing that probably means that only about 1% is from legitimate marketers like DMA members, and I could easily live with double the legitimate traffic if most of the garbage spam was weeded out. Plus, the legitimate traffic is supposed to have real unsubscribe links, which should allow us to get rid of the advertising we don't want.
I'm interested to see what comes of this. It seems that there is a chance that enforcement really will start to make a dent in spam, or that players like the DMA will realize that CAN-SPAM is so weak that better measures are in everyone's interest. |
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Re: ashcroft doing something useful??
said by starstuff :
said by joebear29 :
He did not lose the governor's race to a dead man. Check your facts.
LOL.
This comment raises the term spinmeister to a new level...
»www.thefreedictionary.com/spinmeister
How so? Where did I attempt to show a favorable interpretation of the facts to represent Ashcoft (who I dislike anyways) in a positive light?
You can call it nickpicking, but I was not spinning anything. |
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Details of "Operation Slam Spam" were expected to be announced Thursday, according to the marketing group and a federal law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity. Justice Department officials declined to comment.
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Re: Bought and paid for
said by JPCass :
I'm not holding my breath, either, but I think I could live with a relatively smaller number of "legitimate" offers.
There are currently hundreds of thousands of legitimate businesses currently online. An inbox that is inundated daily with "legitimate" Can Spam compliant UCE from just a fraction of these hundreds of thousands of businesses is rendered JUST as useless as an inbox full of make-money-fast/enlargement/viagra/porn spam.
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Also, if it's CAN-SPAM compliant, you should be able to fairly readily unsubscribe.
Are you ready to spend hours a day unsubscribing? Remember how legitimate telemarketing, perfectly legal, got entirely out of hand over the years - and THAT actually costs the tele-spammer MONEY. Relatively low/no-cost bulk email "spamvertizing", now legal thanks to the lobbying efforts of the DMA and clueless congress-critters, would have swamped your inbox by NOW, if the criminal spammers hadn't already "poisoned the well" with their scams, and made the more-cluefull companies think twice about alienating their customer base.
Criminal spammers are going to continue to spam, legal or not, until they get caught. With spam already at 60% of email traffic daily, are we really ready to accept the added burden of legitimate, fully Can Spam compliant traffic? Email would become useless.
If I didn't ask for it, it's spam.
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