XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Hmmm
I have no interest in HDTV via DSL, I want them to reserve all that bandwidth for the Internet.
We have Satellite, Cable or Air for HDTV don't need it beaming with DSL. |
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ddog
@rr.com | I'll take that 9mbps instead thank you very much mister mayor. |
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Yuck, TV
Agree with Gawdzilla: I got dozens better uses for any amount of bandwidth than crap TV content. It's what will likely drive big pipes for less cost, though I'm worried that the TV loads will be metered differently and us non-TV users will end up subsidizing boobtube traffic. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Probably like cable
My cable has HDTV comming across it now, but my HSI is still at 3000k/256k. That 9mpbs won't be accessable(probably)by your/my computer...different frequencies. 
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | Maybe Jeff should anti up the cash
Nevermind the capital investment would be huge with unknown returns. Considering satellite and cable are already in HDTV and that HDTV has not reached much of a market satuartion it would be tough for a company to spend the money to make it happen. Jeff doesn't have to answer to stockholders should the venture fail and the company lose their ass on the deal. Then it gets even better:
"Despite a flurry of ADSL2+ demos at last month’s Supercomm show, Starr acknowledges that the technology is in its early stages, and that the vendors still need to iron out some interoperability issues."
Combine that with:
"An upgrade to ADSL2+ is a no-brainer, especially for telcos that don’t have the money to spend on fiber-to-the-premises (FTTP) deployments, says Michael Harris, president of Kinetic Strategies Inc., a broadband research firm."
Ummmm, does the word conflict come to mind? ADSL2 is not ready for mainstream yet go ahead deploy it!
Seriously, so a company must 1) Spend a fortune setting up a product where you get locked into one companies equipment because it doesn't talk well with others. 2) Sell HDTV which many homes do not have nor are in the market for with HDTV's being 100+ more then a regular TV and 3) Do all this with an expection to have some kinds of ROI? Wow, thats a lot for any CFO to swallow.
And its even harder with this quote:
"“Adoption of HD in the market is about four to five percent,” Motorola’s Wagoner says. The telcos “are pleased about [the prospects] of marketing HD services, but there’s no high expectation that it would lead to tens and tens and tens of thousands of subscribers.”"
Yeah! Lets spend tons of money to sell to a 5% of the population!!! 
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IGotThePower
Samsung Sucks
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join:2003-06-07
Japan Inc. | reply to jap
Re: Yuck, TV
I agree too. Useless when everybody can get DirecTV or Dish. Give the users what they want, jerks! |
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Digital_Boy
@sbc.com
| Turnabout....
Why not? If the cable companies can offer internet access, traditionally a service supplied by a telco, why can't the telco's offer programming content?
Brings up an interesting question for the cable companies. What kind of plant and field upgrades will they need to make to handle increasing speed and HD programming when HD is ubiquitous?
SBC is trialing FTTP already, and has about 500 users actually getting internet via fiber.
I think it'll be an opposite situation of what was mentioned, the TV subscribers will make FTTP an economically viable option for the telco's, and with FTTP, there's more than enough room to grow. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| ADSL2+ is insufficient for HDTV
HDTV is 19.2mbps. You can barely cram that into a good ADSL2+ loop. If you really are into HDTV you'll eventually want to have two or more dual-"tuner" recorders going. Larger homes may want more sitll. You won't be able to do more than a single stream on an ADSL2+ line. Cable and DBS blast gigabits worth of broadcast data at their customers on a constant basis (we already have 12 HDTV channels, up to 230mbps all by itself).
Even with Mpeg-4 recompression (recompression = inferior picture quality), that "25mbps" line (which is probably more like 21mbps after overhead) will be totally saturated if two streams are going at once.
Of course, reaching customers that will get top ADSL2+ speeds is problematic. Not enough people are going to qualify for it, at least not for a long time. DSL is just not a good platform for television services. DSL is fairly well suited for private internet traffic, but very poorly suited for mega-sized broadcast traffic like HDTV. If they truly want to get into the TV game they really must go fiber.
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Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
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join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA
2 edits | I thought there was an even newer compression scheme that would do HDTV in 6-9Mbps. There was an article on DSLR about it few months ago. Some posting in the resulting threads claimed that MPEG4 would have decent quality.
»HDTV Meets DSL
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compuwizz
join:2001-03-05
Blacksburg, VA
| Frontier
Frontier is putting in Calix DSLAMs in southern WV. From what I understand they just need a card swap to allow for ADSL2+. Their Calix C7 seems to be pretty good. The Sync up rates using Rate Adaptive are much better with it than with an Alcatel 1000 on the same loops. Time will tell how good these boxes are though. I assume they are less expensive than Alcatel's latest since Frontier seems to be a tight spending company. |
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Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
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join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA | reply to Digital_Boy
Re: Turnabout....
500 out of 250,000,000. Telcos better get busy. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to XBL2009
Re: Hmmm
said by XBL2009  :
I have no interest in HDTV via DSL, I want them to reserve all that bandwidth for the Internet.
We have Satellite, Cable or Air for HDTV don't need it beaming with DSL.
I agree with you 100%. But the bells are planning to change to fiber in the next decade or so and Verizon is already set to. Once fiber is in it will be an all out war between telcos and cable/satellite companies, eventually one will cancel out I think.
And with the way telcos are offering things for lower prices, if this trend continues, cable will be the one to bite the dust.
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tadmaz
join:2002-05-30
Mount Prospect, IL | well
my standard antenna over the air picks up 10 hefty non-HDTV stations and that's all I need. |
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Broadband first
Why don't ISPs stop spending money on HDTV over DSL and concentrate on building RTs and servicing people that CAN'T get DSL. |
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d_man60112
join:2004-06-09
Cortland, IL
| Everyone missing the point....
Great points but I think that there is a long term goal. Yes, maybe this would be great for video on demand, and no, many people do not want to share the bandwidth. BUT...this is one of many new technologies being rolled out. If everyone thought this way, we wouldn't have planes, phones, internet, etc... Think of it this way. 10-15 years, metropolitan areas will have fiber. It WILL be open to anyone to provide services. The technology and capabilities of delivering TV, Internet, Voice, & other stuff not yet thought of will need to be essential for any company to compete. This is their test beds.
Farmer brown will not have access to fiber but VDSL 4+ will be able to handle all these services thanks, in part, to all this early testing and development. |
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Tha ReAlEsT
The King Is Back, Where My Crown At?
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join:2002-09-28
the past
| reply to IGotThePower
Re: Yuck, TV
I dont know about adsl2(its probably to small), but with fiber i want the telcos to deploy Tv service. It will be perfect competition for the Cable co's, and they first true competition. That should equals better deals on both ends for the customer.
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| reply to d_man60112
Re: Everyone missing the point....
I think any '10 years from now' technology presented to the telco neighborhoods for television-style content is going to be a lot more easily driven via wireless than in the ground. Not every RBOC (Verizon, Bellsouth) has embraced mass-deployment of FTTH, and expecting to squeeze 3X mor bandwidth out of copper on dated infrastrucre seems, to me, more like a white elephant.
Besides, how much content do the plan on pushing when OTA HDTV is 19.1Mbps under MPEG2 (probably about 8-9 Mbps using VC9)? This sounds more like McDonalds selling food commonly found at Taco Bell. |
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B777300
join:2002-01-02 | I agree
Give me bandwidth i dont need HDTV god damnit |
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lettcco
join:2003-12-04
Valencia, CA
| Think before you type
if people had your mentality back in the days, we could all still be listening to AM radio right now. "why give up all that airwave for those color TV channels? Black and white TV were just fine." "what a waste of bandwidth to boardcast images! they could have put up tons more radio stations than a few lousy TV channels!" |
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Dark Shoes
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join:2002-06-27
Montreal, QC
| Bell Canada
It's been available here in Canada for awhile now, basically the Toronto area, and people seem to enjoy it. Bell Canada will be offering it in my city sometime at the end of this year or 2005 so I'll probably get it then since I don't want to get a dish. And it's not that expensive either so it seems like a good deal for what you get.
ExpressVu over VDSL
»expressvu.logient.com/product?expressVu=8
Here's a promo video (QuickTime): »expressvu.logient.com/mov/DBT-SYM_042804.mov
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