loserhead
3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong
join:2004-01-01
Ellijay, GA
| THe Blame Game
well we might as well just get to it and start blaming the usual suspects:
George Bush (Daddy AND Dubya)
George Tenet
Micro$oft
Lindows (Linspire)
Osama bin Laden
Saddam Hussien
and of course:
ME (--AA--, dontshare, d0n7-5har3)
it's always my fault if they didnt do it.
just because it wasnt your fault doesnt mean they wont blame you. That goes for both of you, Vonage and Global Crossing.
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magicalone
@comcast.net
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pnh102 
| Vonage's blame game
Vonage needs to take responsibility for their own services, blaming a carrier for their routing just shows imcompetance and/or mismanagement within Vonage. Service Providers like Vonage need to have at least 3 carriers if not also having globally diverse datacenters that work together with each other to make sure quality of service is what it needs to be. Also, if Vonage were diverse enough to have multiple carriers and be running BGPv4 with its' upstream carriers then they could have just simply shut one of them off until a maintance window when it would have been least noticeable to end users to correct the problem(s). |
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
Premium
join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Tracerts have shown that they are multihomed with Wiltel and others besides GLBX. This is an unacceptable excuse for THEIR outage. |
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rationale
join:2004-07-27
30323 | reply to magicalone
I think the concept of 'start-up company' is escaping you. While you advice is good, I bet most start-up companies ran into trouble along the way to becoming big.
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| reply to loserhead
Re: THe Blame Game
said by loserhead :
well we might as well just get to it and start blaming the usual suspects:
George Bush (Daddy AND Dubya)
George Tenet
Micro$oft
Lindows (Linspire)
Osama bin Laden
Saddam Hussien
and of course:
ME (--AA--, dontshare, d0n7-5har3)
it's always my fault if they didnt do it.
just because it wasnt your fault doesnt mean they wont blame you. That goes for both of you, Vonage and Global Crossing.
You forgot the telco's which are creating the outages to keep VOIP down.
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magicalone
@comcast.net
from:
pnh102
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Re: Vonage's blame game
I don't think Vonage can qualify as a "start-up" anymore, since they only have ~150-200,000 customers; I can see a company with under 5-10,000 users having some small issues, but with those numbers times say 29.00 (subtracting for regulatory fees) that still comes up to be a huge number and yes I do reconize the costs associated with running a network of Vonage's size. Network Engineering and Security should be on the top of their priority list; especially since this is not their 1st outage in the last couple of months. |
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loserhead
3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong
join:2004-01-01
Ellijay, GA | reply to 72276539
Re: THe Blame Game
very very true.
but you can lump them in with the terrorists and bush if you want to.
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| reply to loserhead
Yeah, 'cause we all know the telco's are running around declaring jihad and trying to destroy America. And they have the support of Bush too.
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EGeezer
Summertime -
Premium
join:2002-08-04
Country! | The real cause...
Some farmer was using a backhoe to bury a dead cow and cut through the trunk line.
(Usual response from phone company when there's a major phone or dataline outage)
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mooty
join:2001-01-28
Riverdale, GA
| Blame it on those poor animals
Maybe it was those damn beavers - that is, if you read that article about the response one property owner had for a letter sent to him by his city govt. to notify him for the illegal diversion and construction of waterflow obstructing obstacle - the dam.
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
Premium
join:2002-02-07
Englewood, CO | reply to magicalone
Re: Vonage's blame game
Maybe they just forgot to pay their phone bill... 
Old too soon...smart too late. |
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aitech
Guru. Kneel
join:2000-12-19
Boston, MA
clubs: 
| Simple..
Simple solution.. IF Vonage believes it was Global Crossing, then provide technical PROOF of what they are claiming. Not as a press release to everyone, etc, but to some tech forums, something where we will understand it, and allow us to determine if Global caused the problem. Then they will remain credible with us, and we can go to bat for them.
Just my 2c.
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs: | reply to EGeezer
Re: The real cause...
The excuse from Verizon that the beavers were eating out the fiber was at least funny.
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loserhead
3 Billion Chinese People Can Be Wrong
join:2004-01-01
Ellijay, GA
| reply to 72276539
Re: THe Blame Game
well put.
no i just meant that they all have their own agendas and are willing to do what is needed in order to achieve them.
AGENDAS:
Bush : World Domination/Oil
Bin Laden : World Domination/Oil/Death to American Pig-Dogs
Telcos : World Domination/$$$$$
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well, at least they dont want oil
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20 | reply to magicalone
Re: Vonage's blame game
I see Vonage through Level3, Global Crossing, and WilTel. |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs:
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Re: Simple..
If GBX sufficiently screws up thier routing table, then it is possible that people using certain ISPs will have trouble getting through to Vonage. Some routers will route traffic in an infinite loop. That's why TTL exists. If the routers don't catch the problem or they are lax about it then the problem stays around that much longer. If the upstream ISP wants all the traffic to Vonage to go through GBX, usually to save $$$, then it is usually impossible to get through.
Or it could be that Vonage is lying.
Just blame it on the Democrats. Like Albert Gore Jr. or something. It seems to be a very popular thing to do.
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Cybertoad
join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX | What Outage?
I was on the phone almost all day yesterday and
didn't have any problems whatsoever with my
Vonage phones.
No outage here! |
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hedyd4u
Premium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY | It was
Lee Harvey Oswald or maybe Fidel Castro
The MIB or Aliens |
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA | reply to loserhead
Re: THe Blame Game
Actually they might so they can fuel their backup generators. |
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scooterge558
join:2004-07-07
| Why play a game nobody wins
I'm not as concerned with whether Vonage or Global Crossing is to blame, and quite frankly could care less. What I am more interested in is whether Vonage is going to credit the accounts of everyone for the outage? That's the question I want answered. I have a feeling they are not, that would cost them way to much and let's face it, we're talking about cutting edge technology, bound to be some hiccups. |
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