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Comments on news posted 2004-08-03 12:37:33: The tactic of "spam piggybacking", or flooding a blog's comments section with links to boost Google ranking, is only the latest attempt by marketers to manipulate search technology for profit. ..

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I had this problem

One of the best things about blogs are the abilty to edit, create, and modify the content on the fly.

The worst things can be abuse sometimes. I was having a huge issue with spam postings. And being the person I was I just couldn't leave them there, so I was spending hours deleting crap using MT's clunky interface and rebuilding.

So I started banning IP's every time. Worked for a while but then they started coming in from everywhere (always over seas). Damn bastards had gotten more clever and were using hijacked computers...and of course MT doesn't allow for blocking /24's. Even closing the post's after they were spammed didn't stop the flow.

I looked into using the spam black list, and all the other stuff. But eventually I came across what I found to be an easier solution (at least to stop those times when suddenly you have 100 emails notifying you of a post) than getting the black list to work.

Rename the "mt-comments.cgi" file. Update your templates and rebuilt. The directions are here and it worked like a charm....

..at least until they find another way to nail blog's...the only difference is I won't leave their crap in mine.


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Just goes to prove...

that spammers are nothing more than a bunch of money hungry thieves that are willing to use any means possible to make money.

They are even willing to use someone's personal blog's to advertise their products. I think if one sees this in their blog they should be able to charge the company whos product is advertised an exorbant rate for having it there. Then maybe some of these companies will think twice about hiring spammers to promote their products.


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Excellent idea, ropeguru. These losers only understand one thing: money - So until there's a monetary feedback loop they'll continue to find ways to abuse the openess of the internet by exporting their costs onto other businesses (in this case Google) and individuals (the hijacked machines blackmarket, b'logs, mail servers).

It's time to stop focusing on the spam-contractors and go straight to those who hire them.


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Money won't stop their actions...if anything it would create even more business while keeping the problem:

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LordMalak

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Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammers

It is the people who buy products from spammers that are to blame. I'm not talking about the l33t BBR readers, but l33t BBR readers' grandfathers who buy Viagra from spammers at $1 a bottle, or fall for make $$$ quick schemes.

If there's demmand for spam products, guess what, there will be spammers.

Maybe if Congress imposed a 200% "Spam tariff" the problem would be solved.


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Re: Just goes to prove...

said by jap See Profile:


It's time to stop focusing on the spam-contractors and go straight to those who hire them.

Good and Bad as much as i would like that to happen there is to much in the way of sabotaging company's.ie i don't like my competitor so i"ll have some scumbag spammer spam millions of people with there products to make him look bad.There is one way to get this teach people about spam and really go after the spammers themselves.
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nil
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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

This has nothing to do with that.. unlike email spam, this is not targeted to sell a product, the purpose is increasing google ranking.
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Re: Just goes to prove...

said by Jigsaw See Profile:
There is one way to get this teach people about spam and really go after the spammers themselves.
I disagree. The spammers operate in other countries where we can't "go after" them but the money is from the good ol' USA. Reduce demand is the only way to remove unpleasantries from a free market system - and in this case that means making it illegal to hire someone to represent your company/product in an invasive fashion and give end-users civil recourse to the person who paid for the spam. Spammers are merely doing the bidding of their bosses.

You advocate a "war on drugs" type enforcement where we go after the growers & couriers. It never, never works because where there is demand the marketplace *will* provide.


jap
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said by DaSneaky1D See Profile:
Money won't stop their actions...if anything it would create even more business while keeping the problem
I think you missed the concept of a feedback loop: I meant negative feedback, of course, in the form of cost liabilities to the companies that use spammers.


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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

Why don't you put terms of service on your comments that allow you to charge spammers $500 for each on?


TexasGuy
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Any links?

Anyone got a link to such a blog that has ads in replies?


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just search google for any of the usual spam keywords..
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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

Sounds like Google Bombing for profit...

Great...

This could spell the end of Google, and the need for another search algorithm. Anybody know how microsoft's contender search engine works?
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Re: Any links?

i wouldnt be using Hormels trademark "SPAM" picture for this thread (unless you recieved permission).
if they see it, they may threaten to sue.
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silasshu

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book em, danno!

I think the law should state that whenever an entity becomes subject to such an attack then the market it operates in automatically comes into gov scrutiny in an organised effort to identify the offender. I am willing to pay taxes for that. If identified, the culprit should be charged with a felony, because the offense is a form of assault imo. Why the hell should bloggers even have to be bothered by these pukes?

Edit: (and I'm speaking of bloggers as an afterthought. It's the commercial world that badly needs the kindergarden-like supervision. Bloggers are doing quite fine on their own as far as I can see
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devrandom
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reply to Steve
Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

said by Steve See Profile:
Why don't you put terms of service on your comments that allow you to charge spammers $500 for each on?

I think nil See Profile tracking them down would be deterrent enough..

rengaw03

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No, but it isn't as good as Google's system, and appears to be easier to game -- just try searching for the Hilton Hotel in Paris.


Miah321658416

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Re: book em, danno!

File laws suits. Hell if the RIAA can sue some poor lady who make 21k a year for 4,000, for something she didnt even do just imagine what you could sue a company who spams your blog for maybe I will start a new blog just for said suit...

If this gets big I want credit LOL and if you do it I want a small cut for the idea...

Jeremiah Davis

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Yea but....

This is my first post here on these forums, followed Mr. Karl here from his blog which I forget how I found.... wasn't a Google word search involving strange animal rituals though.

Anyhow here's my take on the spammers and what we might happen if the government "steps in".

What bugs me is this "world economy" without "world accountability". If our government stepped in with some sort of regulations, it wouldn't do a thing to stop the off-shore spammers and would most likely just turn free e-mail into a "per charge" thing for us in the states.
And like the one person posted, going after the corporations could cause some easy corporate backstabbing. These spammers just seem relentless in their pursuit and implementation of new ways to get around everything that's done to stop them. Maybe we could create a small country and somehow trick all spammers into moving there (totally anonymous e-mail accounts, and free housing, NO REALLY!) then declare war on them....
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