CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | Small city
Grand haven is so small, one wi-fi router would cover it 
And it probably does |
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Nerdtalker
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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Grand haven is so small, one wi-fi router would cover it
And it probably does
I agree, probably a cheap router and a simple omnidirectional antenna.
LOL!!!
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | Theres a few cities around Ohio that are that big that are considered Cities now.
But all you need is to put the antenna on a water tower the city owns and you got it set :p |
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B
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join:2000-10-28
| 20 Bucks??
For what must surely be taxpayer subsidized or at least tax-abated service?
That is a tremendous rip off.
Even with higher-end equipment they're making a HUGE profit if half the town signs up.
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sean151
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Auburn, WA
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1 edit | More than one router
but wouldn't that make it a simple hack to get into the router if it was just one? The more the merrier right? So lets see, a couple wireless routers all hacker ready means road trip!
So I highly doubt there would be one, maybe one or two strong omni directional routers. It all depends on how far apart the people live and how big the city is.
Oh and $20 for 256kbps? I'm guessing this is their only choice for broadband. |
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DaSneaky1D
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| Population size doesn't matter...
Just because a small number of people live there doesn't make it any less of a city.
But, it's only 5 sq miles, so coverage really wasn't too hard to attain.
»www.city-data.com/city/Grand-Hav···gan.html
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sean151
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Auburn, WA
clubs: | "But, it's only 5 sq miles, so coverage really wasn't too hard to attain."
Wow maybe it was just one or two towers. I wish my area had wireless, just for the upload. |
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dg2
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Lowell, AR
·Cox HSI
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Re: More than one router
said by sean151 :
Oh and $20 for 256kbps? I'm guessing this is their only choice for broadband.
Maybe not. Cox charges $34.95 for 128/128 kbps here. $20 for 256 would be a deal.
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Nightfall
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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1 edit | Wow! I am in Grand Haven all the time....
I guess I have never driven through the city with netstumbler and magnetic mount antenna and laptop. Looks like I am going to have to do that. I live not far from Grand Haven.
We HAVE to have a member from the location.
On a side note, I think you can remove the "how can 12,000 people be considered a city" crap. According to the government regulations, a city must be above 10,000 or more people.
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sean151
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Auburn, WA
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| reply to dg2
Re: More than one router
Hmmm good point. Actually now that I think about it the price is actually pretty good for the basic user instead of having dial-up. I always forget I'm not the "basic" user.
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sean151
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Auburn, WA
clubs: | reply to Nightfall
Re: Wow! I am in Grand Haven all the time....
"According to the government regulations, a city must be above 10,000 or more people."
I think it should be a pocily not a regulation. |
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Hall
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Dayton, OH | reply to Nightfall
said by news submitter:
(how a population of 12,000 is considered a city is not explained)
Nor is it up to you to "define" what qualifies as a city... |
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Jeremy341
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localhost
| reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall :
On a side note, I think you can remove the "how can 12,000 people be considered a city" crap. According to the government regulations, a city must be above 10,000 or more people.
Little things like facts mean nothing in a BBR "article"! |
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Actual info for the early posters' foot-in-mouth
From the only link in the article that *none* of you previous posting anti-muni and/or anti small-city snobs read:
" ... Developed and managed by Ottawa Wireless, ... the system uses several hundred WiFi (802.11a,b,g) radios ... to blanket its six square miles and provide coverage 15 miles into Lake Michigan. ...
Grand Haven, population 12,000, has more than 2 million visitors each year. Some hotels and marinas subsidize the wireless service ... Local public safety agencies and the hospital are in the process of connecting to the network.
... many technology, right-of-way, and line-of-sight challenges to build ... across ... waterways, tall trees and rolling hills. ... [using] Proxim ORiNOCO AP-4000 tri-band access points and the Proxim Tsunami MP.11a point-to-multipoint wireless backhaul system
... advanced services, such as point-to-point dedicated VPN connections, remote wireless video surveillance, and high-speed access for boaters up to 15 miles offshore and at speeds of up to 55 miles per hour. City-wide mobile WiFi VoIP telephone calling is currently in beta testing with full launch expected in the next few months. Monthly prices for always-on broadband Internet starts at $19.99 for 256 kbps, and unlimited mobile VoIP calling is $29.99."
Sure, it's only a press release - but it clarifies what some early-posting, lazy-butt, naysaying posters to this thread were wondering about out loud. 256/? is an issue but I'll bet they raise it in short order. |
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DrTCP
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join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| reply to Nerdtalker
Re: Small city
said by Nerdtalker :
I agree, probably a cheap router and a simple omnidirectional antenna.
While it is technically possible to use one of those cheap AP, only a limited number of users will be admitted. Typically cheap APs from Linksys, D-Link etc. can only accomodate 32 or so users at the same time. That is why enterprise/wisp grade access points are more expensive while seemingly offering the exact same service. |
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SSX4life
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to jap
Re: Actual info for the early posters' foot-in-mouth
hey hey come on now, no more slamming grand haven MI plz (I'm a michagander @ heart). Even if it's small it's a step in the right direction. Not to mention I've been to that town before (most towns in Michigan are under 30K if you didn't know) And I think it's cool that they are the 1st to have the city hotspot. |
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jap
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038xx
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | SSX4life: your "hey hey come on now" post is in reply to my topic change (Actual info) - but I am defending both Grand Haven & muni connectivity. My wrath was raised by the spat of early posters to this thread that knew nothing of the project and dissed it for "so small who cares" and "prolly or 2 transmitters" and "public money rip-offs" yadayadayada. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough though. |
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psiu_nws
join:2004-01-20
Plymouth, MI
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·AT&T DSL Service
| 10,000 & Coast Guard
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer,_Michigan
Link to the entry Omer, MI. City with a population of 337, as of the 2000 census.
Oh, and don't forget, Grand Haven is also Coast Guard City, USA, and the big festival should be beginning or already underway.
Driving over for the fireworks next Saturday.
Oh, and that's (wi-fi) definitely a cool perk to living there. Never would of expected that from that city.
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Uhawl
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Asylum
·Comcast
| Grand Haven deserves credit...
I absolutely agree with Nightfall in saying ptffpt to all those who don't know Grand Haven and it's community. It is almost a beach resort town (the movie American Pie 2's beach stuff was filmed in Grand Haven and the movie series is about the screwed up West Michigan life ) and the residents are good people who deserve to be put in the technical spotlight. Granted, 20 dollars is expensive when considering that you can get comcast out here for about 30-40 bucks a month and it is a wired city (it's the county seat as well). So, before you all start stomping on us from the area as if we're under developed, look at the article and read what it says. Ptffpt... One wifi router could cover it all... Whatever.
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Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to Hall
Re: Wow! I am in Grand Haven all the time....
said by Hall :
said by news submitter:
(how a population of 12,000 is considered a city is not explained)
Nor is it up to you to "define" what qualifies as a city...
I hate to ask but....is that statement directed towards me or the news submitter?
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