dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| What?
Let's *SEE* some freakin fiber! They got a down payment to get started....well? Now they are sniveling about deregulating something that doesn't exist yet? 
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p00ter_nerd
Wort Wort Wort
join:2003-09-02
East Berlin, PA | I bet they'll want another 3 billion from pennsylvania. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Verizon is real folks -- too bad I'm just across the street from it all. I say make-way for progress. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| dont care about verizon
I am not a verizon customer, and could care less about anything they offer. yet i live in a verizon area. Cable offers better speeds, and i use voip. Verizon when you finally offer your over-funded, under deployed service, please dont offer it to me. Cable will have surpassed you already with something more attractive. |
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pianotech
Pianotech
Premium
join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA | reply to ronpin
Re: What?
*Yawn*...there goes Verizon promising the world yet again... |
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StorminNorm
Stormin
Premium
join:2003-01-02
Keller, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Going to try it....
They have already marked the lines in my yard and should have the fiber installed in about 2 weeks. I will most likely give the data service a try. The information I received stated service at around 25Mb that will scale to 100Mb if demand is there. Will have to see. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| whiners
looks like the "boohoo, I can't really afford to deploy fiber unless you grant me a monopoly" argument.
I got a suggestion for the FCC: tell them they can have exclusive use of fiber they pay for and deploy, but they have to completely give up their monopoly with the copper wires.
Anyone want to bet how this suggestion will play? |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | reply to StorminNorm
Re: Going to try it....
where do you live? |
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StorminNorm
Stormin
Premium
join:2003-01-02
Keller, TX | Keller Texas |
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| reply to nasadude
Re: whiners
With the rise of cable provided phone services the monopoly you speak of no longer exists.
As soon as cable moves into phone and phone moves into cable then we will have real competition in this arena. The ILEC's are making a legitmate request to level the playing field between them and the cable co's. |
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mishaq
Premium
join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
clubs:
| reply to DaveNJ
Re: dont care about verizon
Well, uh, fiber will be better than cable, sorry. And this does bring back old questions about the stances of telecom monopolies. Why should verizon lay all this fiber down if they are going to have to share it with companies who didnt pay a cent to build it? Competition is good, but it is also bad. I still toy with the question, what would things be like if AT&T never broke up? With telecom being an actual business now instead of a utility, perhaps things could be better. With it being a utility, perhaps getting the services to as many as possible would have been more of a concern than pure profits. But alas, it is the American culture to make money, and the DoJ saw fit that there would be not one company in control over all communications facilities. Im just not sure, but if AT&T were still around, it makes me wonder whether or not Id have FTTP right now.
Addition: And I know, people dont like the idea of one company providing a service, but we all (or most of us) have on power company, one water company, one gas company. If they can be regulated and work to maintain satisfactory service, all can be well. Its all the FCC's fault, our country's communications are in a big mess right now, perhaps someday it can become one unified network as it once was, I mean, the former 7 RBOCs are now what, 3? or is it 4? Verizon, SBC, BellSouth, and Qwest? Eh, I can't write 
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Damn you FCC! |
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tomsprat
Draw Me A "Cold One"
Premium,ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
clubs:
| Same old story
The ILECs and their supporters ask for fairness and responsibility, then take advantage of the situation by stealing the taxpayers' money, via incentives, then asking that the rules be changed to favor them further. Corporations have no ethics or scruples. They have one concern only, which is to make money. Why is it, then, that anyone who opposes their greedy double-standard is labeled as being "unfair"?
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
1 edit | HMMM treat Fiber like Cable broadband.
That mean when I get fiber I can have any ISP I want too?
What became of that on Cable? Nevermind we talking about Verizon here 
With the money Verizon stole from Pennsylvania taxpayers for so called Fiber deployment and since they can't deliver Verizon should be forced to offer Pennsylvanians Top Speed DSL for $15 a month. |
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amenite
The Soylent - It's People
Premium
join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
clubs:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to nasadude
Re: whiners
said by nasadude  :
looks like the "boohoo, I can't really afford to deploy fiber unless you grant me a monopoly" argument.
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Like Cablevision would have ever strung all that fiber in my area had they been forced to rent it to their direct competitors? You think?
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| said by amenite :
said by nasadude :
looks like the "boohoo, I can't really afford to deploy fiber unless you grant me a monopoly" argument.
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Like Cablevision would have ever strung all that fiber in my area had they been forced to rent it to their direct competitors? You think?
Yes but did cablevision charge you for years for upgrades that didnt happen, and did they charge you a fee for rural deployment etc. There a big difference between cable, and phone companies. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to mishaq
Re: dont care about verizon
How can you say the Telco's are paying for it? They're not the customers are one way or another. Like in PA the residents paid for it there by giving VZ a tax break and by giving them money. I'm sure PA could have used that money for something else.
Thats like you pay VZ to expand and "improve" their network by having them for service. What they do with that money is nothing but leave it sit.
VZ is just like SBC. We get promised something then never see it. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to nasadude
Re: whiners
said by nasadude :
looks like the "boohoo, I can't really afford to deploy fiber unless you grant me a monopoly" argument.
I got a suggestion for the FCC: tell them they can have exclusive use of fiber they pay for and deploy, but they have to completely give up their monopoly with the copper wires.
Anyone want to bet how this suggestion will play?
How would you like it if you paid all sorts of money out of your earning to run a fiber link from your house to the internet and your neighbor says hey I want some of that to and goes and piggy backs off you while you paid all the money to have it laid and the money for the point of presence.
Only to have him pay you pennies on the dollar to what you owe on the link. When it's your pocket it's pretty hard but when its a huge conglomerate it's fine ?
Only thing to do is either regulate them all the same or deregulate them all the same. There is no difference between Verizon and Comcast at this point except Verizon doesn't offer TV via cable/fiber yet.
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Flizesh
Premium
join:2003-08-16
Staten Island, NY
clubs: | wahhhh
I want fiber to the home :| |
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | I want broadband. Screw Verzion. The steal millions, but they don't deploy fiber...meh, it's not like I'd see it anyways (I live in a town of 5000....on the outskirts).  |
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: whiners
The argument is somewhat flawed.
Everybody knows that it's not economically feasible to have 3-4 different fibers being laid down throughout the country. Furthermore, fiber has so much bandwidth that one fiber strand should be enough for any given neighborhood.
Now, I don't see how forcing Verizon to rent at a fair price their fiber to others is a problem. Baby bells will do anything to keep their monopoly just because it allows them to make more money.
This is the way it should be done. We should have cities laying down fiber and then renting it to whoever wants to provide services. Same rental price for everybody, and no more bitching about how the "poor" bells have to share their friggin network.
That would bring real competition and lower prices to everybody. Oops, I forgot, nobody really wants lower prices... |
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