mig288
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Merchantville, NJ | New Jersey always gets screwed!
It seems to me that the state of New Jersey is always behind when it come to technology. This is just a reality check from verizon to the BPU, if Verizon plans to spend a quarter-billion dollars the prices have to go up. DoH! |
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rid0617
join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | We want maximum profit
We have to look out for our CEO bonus program and of course the stock holders. Typical corporation. Hot dog, first post, never happened as long as I've been doing this |
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shit
join:2003-07-14
Skowhegan, ME | DSL
I hope this doesn't go national and raise my dsl bill,I get my service from one of its competitors. |
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rid0617
join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | Disregard
well, it appeared to be the first |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
 ·Comcast
| Verizon vs. NJ (and AT&T)
Verizon has been participating in a vicious negative ad campain against AT&T in response to ads from a group calling itself New Jerseyans for Technology and Economic Growth (whom Verizon claims is a frontgroup for AT&T) for a few months now. While Verizon brought up some good point in their ads, I wonder how much money they wasted having these radio ads run a few times an hour for months on end?
Verizon got a rate increase, yet they are now going to hold NJ for ransom to get back at the BPU and AT&T. Currently Verizon is pretty much the only competition Comcast, the cable company in the majority of the state, has in NJ. The longer they hold off the stronger Comcast will become and the more of a chance that Comcast will be the only provider of high speed services. This isn't a good move for the public and its also not a good move for Verizon. Comcast must be loving this though.
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to mig288
Re: New Jersey always gets screwed!
It seems that Verizon should figure out these sorts of wholesale rate questions before they move forward with $250 million investments in infrastructure. Verizon had to have the backing of their wholesale customers before beginning this, so the only logical conclusion is that they are trying to change the terms mid-stream. |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
|  Corporate IRresponsability
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Its time to RE-REGULATE the remaining ILECS!
You can not play nice with the ILEC & CLECS. FINE! We WILL make you place nice with each other.
This type of coporate greed is what is ruining this country.
Quit worrying about what the stock price is, what some high faluting investor and wall street or some idiot analyst thinks. None of these idiots are likely to know a DSLAM from a SLAM up side the head. (Which is what they all need!) Your only goal should be to offer a quality product and service and the rest will take of its self.
The US falls behind in broadband with the rest of the world daily. The gap is growing larger and larger. Yes I am aware that many countries outside the US, are either government monopolies or funded or what not. I really don't care.
Its time to get a RE-BUILD of the telco network in action. Putting more copper and more SLC's and more RT's (NON DSL) in is not the answer. VZ, just doesn't get it. They cede more and more broadband to cable every time they pull these antics.
I will give credit to the cableco's they got it together and rebuilt their network. The old adage "you have to SPEND money to MAKE money" is so true. Just look at VZ service area and then compare it to say a TW/BH coverage area. Now look at where the overlap is. I bet its less 1/3 of the total coverage area. Thats 2/3 of your service area paying $44/mo. for internet service that they COULD be PAYING to YOU VZ! No we don't want your money.
Its time for some one with a big stick to spank the little deliquent children ILECS, especially VZ, MOST ESPECIALY VZ and get broadband deployment back in gear in this country. |
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Free America
@bellsouth.net | Let's turn the clock back!
I love the idea of letting the governments run the companies and the broadband services! It takes me back to the good old days of the Soviet Block. At least they could made the trains run on time. |
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dsless
join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA | Maybe its time for someone else?
Maybe it is time for Verizon to be replaced as thier State Telco. God knows that they have not made any investment in West Virginia. My POTS line doens't were very well and I am tired of calling verizon. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| reply to shit
Re: DSL
You get it from a competitor or a CLEC?
To me a CLEC, or anyone who uses Verizon lines, is not a competitor. They are simply sucking off of a resource that someone else established.
A competitor is a DSL line that is not owned by Verizon. This means the copper is your providers, not Verizons.
Cable is a good example. Wireless is a good example. Yahoo DSL (or whatever) is not a good example. These "piggy back" DSL providers are not any better than the people they truly pay. They have simply found a way to charge you less and force Verizon to charge others more for something else. |
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA | Fiber to the Moon
Maybe they can find a better regulatory environment there. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
|  reply to Free America
Re: Let's turn the clock back!
said by Free America:
I love the idea of letting the governments run the companies and the broadband services! It takes me back to the good old days of the Soviet Block. At least they could made the trains run on time.
The only case I see for the government running a company is when it has been determined that you have a "right" to the product. In the case of telephone, everyone has a right to service and, for this reason, we have the Universal Slush Fund. Frankly, I think this is the stupidest thing yet. The government collects taxes from the users through the telco and then passes them back to the for-profit telco who is free to continue charging higher rates. Rather it would seem to make sense to treat the telphone network like public power; the rates pay for maintenance and upgrades but no CEO perks or Wall Street profit demands. Anyone who wants to provide service is free to hookup their equipment to the public network for a fee and then provide service. It would be in the public utilities interest to get as many providers on the network as possible, and they would not be in competition with providers since they would only be providing the network. |
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL
| Extorion?
If you have a problem with extorion, the best solution is to go completely Medieval on the extortionist.
If Verizon has decided to employ fraud and extortion as their standard tactics, I cant imagine that anyone in New Jersey would shed a tear if they were deprived of their telephone franchise.
After all these extorionists are criminal terrorists trying to loot the citizens of NJ.
I don't seem to recall New Jersians as willing to bend over at the slightest threat. |
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Estragon
join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
 ·Fairpoint Communic..
·MV Communications,..
| reply to mig288
It's not just New Jersey
It's not just New Jersey -- it's all of Verizon territory.
Honestly, the best broadband news I could get is that Verizon is filing for Chapter 7. Then maybe the next generation ILEC would treat me like a customer and try to provide the product that I want to pay for. |
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bonnyman
join:2003-04-16
Rome, GA
| The cable guys must love this announcement!
Verizon is playing chicken with its own future survival.
Over the long term, the Bells need to deploy fiber (or coax, but why would they do that??) in order to compete with the cable TV companies which have much higher bandwidth cable networks.
The cable companies own video to the home. They dominate broadband to the home. Starting in 2005, they'll start taking away a lot of voice customers with Voice over IP (VoIP).
The Bells can let this happen or they can respond by going after the cable companies with all 3 services.
Excluding Qwest, the Bells are (for now), much better capitalized than the cable companies. They can do this in theory, but in reality they don't have the savvy or the stomach.
I think of the Bells as dinosaurs marking time waiting for the big meteor strike that's headed their way.
They'll join Western Union in the ranks of former communications giants. Perhaps they should start studying the money order business now ...
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to keyboard5684
excuse me?
said by keyboard5684  :
To me a CLEC, or anyone who uses Verizon lines, is not a competitor. They are simply sucking off of a resource that someone else established.
you know who that someone else is? the consumer, that's who.
that infrastructure was paid for by the consuming public - the bells were allowed their monopoly in return for building the infrastructure. In other words, these monopolies were guaranteed a rate of return sufficient to pay for that copper; there was no risk, they didn't "go out on a limb" and hope they made enough money to pay for their investment, the government decided they would make the consumers provide that money, sometimes upfront before anything was built. Go ask Pennsylvania about that last one.
you better go brush up on the history of the telephone industry as you are clearly suffering some delusional beliefs. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to bonnyman
Re: The cable guys must love this announcement!
said by bonnyman :
Verizon is playing chicken with its own future survival.
I couldn't agree more. The only thing that keeps me hoping the telcos go down in flames is the fact that it would mean cable wins. That's scary enough that I almost want to root for the telcos.
the quote below sorta says it all:
"It's a bizarre business strategy where you are stopping investment in a state where there are so many businesses and you have the second-highest income in the nation," said Michael Schweder, president of AT&T New Jersey.
the telcos want their full monopoly powers back and it's making them do stupid things - they really do deserve to die out. |
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BarneyBadAss
| Oh Screw it
Let's just ditch Verizon, AT&T; Quest and all the rest.. let's go back to using 2 tin cans and a string as it was in the days of cavemen....  |
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL | reply to bonnyman
Re: The cable guys must love this announcement!
call that strike VOIP |
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Rogue Wolf
Is Kind Of A Big Deal In Yemen
join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to BarneyBadAss
Re: Oh Screw it
said by BarneyBadAss:
Let's just ditch Verizon, AT&T; Quest and all the rest.. let's go back to using 2 tin cans and a string as it was in the days of cavemen....
But I only get 4.6 kbps connections on that... and I always lag out when the wind makes the string vibrate.
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