 Springbokke
join:2002-09-13
Colleyville, TX
1 edit | It's Creepy What if some guy at the FBI just so happens not to like your political orientation and he comes across some stuff you contributed to a bulletin board? A quick anonymous email to you boss and your gone. The possibilities for misuse are endless. This is not about phone conversations on tape. This is about electronic copies of your most private details that can be distributed to many people instantaneously. “Trust us we are the government” is not good enough. | |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ
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| Email? [rant on]
If someone were to "snoop" my spam mail, they would think that I was eating Viagra like candy, refinancing my mortgage every week, buying and selling stocks from inside sources, a porn freak, gambling with off shore accounts, and guilty of every perversion known to man. I would be doing "life" just by association.
What a waste of government money.
How much did it cost the "people" of the United States to put Martha on trial? Are "we" ever going to recoup those costs?
[rant off]
sorry, long week. | |
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SuperJudge
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join:2002-11-14
Albany, GA
clubs: | Re: Email? I wish ECHLON would intercept my spam emails and keep them.
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ | Hmm...sounds somewhat familiar... *cough* 1984 *cough* | |
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copperdoctor
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join:2003-12-08
Palatine, IL | Figures The FCC will comply, afterall...anything to take away our freedoms is a good thing in thier eyes. Just look at everything else those UN-ELECTED "official" have meddled with lately.
Patriot act my !@# | |
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SuperJudge
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clubs: | Re: Figures Watch it, or they will patriot act your a$$.
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US Citizen
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| My opinion How many terrorists utilize broadband connections? I'm sure the smart ones would use something that is less connected to their names.
As someone said earlier, terrorists were caught using cell phones with phone cards to be less traceable. If they wanted to use the internet for communication, they'd probably go for anonymous options instead of DSL or cable.
The government, especially lately, has been on a road to destroying the privacy of it's citizens in the name of security. Let's also think about the other benefits that can come from lack of citizen privacy. Doesn't stopping dissent seem like a very good benefit to the government?
They could find dirt on almost anyone. While they may not use it in the court of law. Why not use it to pressure them to cease their activities (political dissent).
In order for a democracy to function, the citizens must be allowed privacy to discuss and voice their opinions. It might be a pain for certain bureaus of government or the current administration, but who's supposed to be in charge of a democracy? We elect our leaders, but we are also supposed to keep them in check by questioning their actions.
In non-democracy countries, the governments use their powers to violate their citizens privacy to stifle political opposition. This still happens in many places all over the world.
This is just another installment in the plan to give the government control over the ideas and actions of the people. As we move to a more monitored society, we are also moving to a less democratic society.
In this country, when people think of fascism, they often think of racism and dictatorship.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
– Benito Mussolini
Hitler had the backing of big business. It helped him rise to power by financing his election campaign and financing his propaganda.
"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."
-- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister.
"Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag- a thing with a soul that could mirror my own."-- Adolph Hitler
"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
-- General William Westmoreland, United States Army
The government can do anything it wants to if it has the consent of the people. A big part of propaganda is keeping the opposing side as quiet as possible.
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US Citizen
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|  Continued: My opinion
If you don't think that we're under the influence of political propaganda, think again.
The mass media has told us how president Aristide fled Haiti and resigned.
Www.democracynow.org interviewed two people who had phone conversations with Aristide and later had a phone interview directly with the President himself. I checked this out for myself. He says that he was forced to leave Haiti at gun point by a group some of which he referred to as US diplomats. He said he was flown to the Central African Republic. He wasn't allowed to make any phone calls or even look out the window of the plane. (He was told a few times to stop moving the blinds).
It's quite evident that we are under propaganda when the president that supposedly resigned says he was kidnapped and forced to leave the country.
Of course, this is not the first, second, or even the third coup d'etat that our government has been involved in.
It's hard to discredit independent media when they show you a video of the interview of the president, don't you think?
I encourage people to look around the independent media outlets whenever there is a big political event going on.
Yeah, it's true that independent media can get some things wrong, but mass media has had a very bad track record, probably much worse. | |
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SuperJudge
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clubs: | Re: Continued: My opinion There is a lot of propaganda that you hear about 40+ years later, and I can't wait to see what all is being hidden now.
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hpguru
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join:2002-04-12 | Re: My opinion 40+ years from today I'll be dead or too old to care. I want the bastards exposed NOW!
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kba4
join:2001-10-23
Canton, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| at least ashcroft is in pain things like this only make me more glad to hear of ashcroft's recent admission to the hospital... and even more hopeful that they run out of any kind of pain-killers ifwhen he needs surgery!
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Vivi
Mr Happy
join:2002-07-28
MD
| funny This is nothing really new. The government is now using "terrorism" as a premise to launch an extremist agenda. Just like they use patriotism to launch questionable wars. I always knew that it wouldn't stop with the patriot act. What's next big bro?
Even funnier is the fact the the "terrorists" are skilled enough to encypt data. So WTF is the point? Spying on everyday Americans is the goal of this proposal. So sad... the US is turning into a really crappy country. Sad that most people don't even realize what's at stake... *sighs* | |
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US Citizen
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| Re: funny This kind of thing is inevitable. It's human nature.
"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson
FYI:
Section 802 of the patriot act defines domestic terrorism as, "activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State"
This is quite inclusive. Technically a j-walker is a domestic terrorist. He violated a law and endangered human life.
It seems that branding you a terrorist would make it very easy for the government to do whatever it wants to you, and now it's very easy for them to mark you a terrorist. 
I challenge all who read this to think, and look around when an event occurs and not just buy what they're told on TV by FOX , CNN, etc.
Always remember that the most important part of a democracy is the citizens.
Oh, does anyone know what caused building 7 of the World Trade center to collapse? If you know, please tell me. I just don't get it. | |
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hpguru
Curb Your Dogma
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join:2002-04-12
| Re: funny said by US Citizen:
Oh, does anyone know what caused building 7 of the World Trade center to collapse? If you know, please tell me. I just don't get it.
All three of those towers collapsed as they would in a controlled demolition. I'm no engineer but it only makes sense that a big stack of concrete and steel is going to fall over to one side when it becomes unstable - not straight down as they did on 911.
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SuperJudge
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clubs: | Re: funny That's interesting, that building fell down like a house made of playing cards falling down into a deck, rather than a mess.
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join:2003-07-28
Topeka, KS
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| Re: funny I believe that it is possible to engineer a building to collapse in on itself, rather than topple. When building a skyscraper amidst other skyscrapers, you would not want to feel responsible for causing damage to other building, regardless as to why your own building collapsed.
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SuperJudge
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clubs: | Re: funny That's a good explanation.
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netscape 6
join:2002-03-07
Constantine, MI | Ashcroft is a terroistist to freedom FBI = Federal Bill of rights Infringment
I hope Ashcroft gets shiped to Cuba pennieless. Given the damage he has done to the Bill of Rights that is what that terrorist deserves. | |
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Spazmoto
Dark Flow
join:2003-08-22 | Uh? This is insane. Suck my heavily encrypted VPN pigs!!!  | |
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SuperJudge
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clubs: | Re: Uh? That's probably next.
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Spazmoto
Dark Flow
join:2003-08-22
| Re: Uh? No doubt. For now depending on your setup I'm sure you could aggravate them for a while. But there is no way you keep them from getting in at some step of the way. Old saying - if you don't want it known, don't say it on the phone (or the internet  ).
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SuperJudge
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| Re: Uh? It should have to be that way. There is nobody qualified to judge or investigate or otherwise spy on me, legally.
I mind my own business and do my own thing, and I respect every other persons personal freedom, and no government body should have the right to invade my personal freedom, unless I've outright done it to somebody else. No matter what the twisted a$$ laws say.
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stonhinge
join:2003-07-28
Topeka, KS
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| Why rewire? Why in the Nine Hells do they have to rewire their network to make it easier? The ISP would have the IP address (and MAC address) that the customer is currently logged in with/using. This is what should happen:
"Here's his IP address. We've graciously extended the lease on it to indefinite so it doesn't change while you're monitoring. Just plug whatever you're using into this router."
"We didn't bring a computer."
"How did you expect to monitor without a computer?"
"You're not being cooperate. I'd just hate to bring an obstruction of justice charge against you."
"Fine. Uhhhhh. Here, use this. > This should work fine for your needs."
"Where's the start menu? What is this, a Mac?" >
"No. It's running Lin-"
"I've heard enough. You're coming with me. Looks like you're some kind of hacker."
"But we're a Linux-based ISP. All of our computers run Linux. All of our customers do, too."
"Reeeally. We'll need that customer list."
Of course, I'm over-generalizing things quit a bit. But "rewiring"? Why would they need to rewire? And just about anybody doing "Anti-American" things with any sort of conviction would be using some type of encryption, along with proxy servers.
A more ingenious way would be to write several image encryption programs, all using different algorithms. Post a message to a compatriot at a specific time, at a specific /dev/null-type forum, indicating which program to use, all of which have different code names (Photoshop. Word, Flash are some good examples) and an email address/IM username (Hotmail/Yahoo/any free one will do). Transfer the file (compressed and encrypted and password protected), and within seconds, the message is delivered. If it's small enough, even dial-up would work.
Are the dial-up providers having to do this? Doesn't appear so. All the terrorists are going to be loading up on AOL discs, using the free hours to transfer their messages to the out-of-the country servers, which does the NSA little to no good.
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Springbokke
join:2002-09-13
Colleyville, TX
| Anything on WIFI? Any plans on monitoring WIFI? It seems to me if you are a terrorist you would want to be mobile and avoid static DSL, Cable or even Dialup. Are they going to be posting agents with monitoring equipment at all the WIFI hotspots? There seems to be a Starbucks with WIFI access at just about every street corner of every city. Maybe they are thinking of expanding the Air Marshal program and recruit Coffee Marshals. | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| opportunity for hacking fun? "an FBI designed technology that sniffs traffic at the head-end of an ISP's network."
Does this mean if someone throws a lot of traffic at the head-end with random occurences of "bomb", "radioactive", "white house", "anthrax", "ricin", etc etc that the FBI will start hopping around like an anthill that's been stepped on?
Want to get back at someone? Infect their computer with a zombie virus and start sending emails from their computer with the hot button words. | |
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Re: Hmm...sounds somewhat familiar...