myhoes
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long live your privacy there goes big brother again
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F walker
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1 edit | Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft!
Won't happen.... Although there's no telling with todays many infringments on personal privacy.... *cough* patriot act *cough cough*...... I don't see this going through.... too much $$ to do so.
EDIT: YeeHaaa or w00t!, even, second post.
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | Will just hasten the use of encryption
This will just promote wide spread interest in encryption on everything, by default.
Assuming, of course, the NSA don't have some secret math that make the best public key encryption systems useless no matter what the key length is. |
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F walker
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xdeadhead
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this is a huge shit sandwich and were all gonna have to take a bite. cant say as i like it much....im not doing anything illegal, but i dont need more eyes than there already are watching things.
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myhoes
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Re: Will just hasten the use of encryption
it already exists its called the geek decryption 3000
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to F walker
people who know stuff don't think so
»www.cyphernet.org/cyphernomicon/···2.5.html |
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myhoes
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Re: crock of shit
"i dont need more eyes than there already are" and i am looking at your avatar lol
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xdeadhead
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Mechanicsburg, PA | lol hey its just jerry and he dont care anymore lol
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insomniac84
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| what is the point?
If people want to talk and keep it a secret they will just use a p2p chatting program whether it be voice or text that will be encrypted. The days of the wiretap are over. All they get to here is the message, "Hey jump online and we'll talk" Then the FBI gets to speculate about what they were talking about. |
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MarkH
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| reply to justin
Re: Will just hasten the use of encryption
said by justin  :
This will just promote wide spread interest in encryption on everything, by default.
Assuming, of course, the NSA don't have some secret math that make the best public key encryption systems useless no matter what the key length is.
And the real bad guys outside of national governments will think just like that, and will use other means to confuse things for the snoopers. They might be able to crack the encryption, so they use other techniques to disguise what they are saying, the use of something as simple as a book code can confuse the snooper, the sender and the recipient have copies of the same book, instead of typing words in the email etc, they type numbers consisting of page number and line number, then word number. You can go even further and use letter numbers. |
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Smokey
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yes, but how many times has that been said in the past?? How many times has a code been broken?? It only takes time, and money, and the NSA has plenty of both.
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justin
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Re: what is the point?
there was a recent story about how intelligence services rounded up a bunch of terrorist operatives who were using anonymous SIM cards for GSM phones (the kind you can buy and use until they run out without ID), and the operatives were communicating by just calling numbers, and hanging up. Once they got suspicious of one, they just connected others by plotting who they contacted.
even if you're encrypting everything, if you're closely observed, then it is guilt by association. |
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Jason Levine
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| Who pays the cost?
said by the article:
The FBI has submitted an expected proposal to the FCC requiring that all broadband providers be forced to rewire their networks in order to make monitoring easier for law enforcement.
Can you guess who's going to pay for this? One of two options. Option 1: The ISPs will have to pay for it themselves and will pass the cost along to the users in the form of increased rates. Option 2: The government will cover the ISPs' costs and will just charge the taxpayers more in taxes to pay for it.
Either way, we'll be paying to make it easier for the government to monitor us.
said by the article:
CNET briefly touches on the request, which author Declan McCullagh hints is so broad it would outlaw the introduction of any new broadband related technology that doesn't comply.
Which means that if you come up with a new type of software program that lets users communicate in some fashion (be it IM, file transfer, etc), you'll need to also code in a back door for law enforcement.
Assuming this is adopted and widely deployed, why couldn't criminals/terrorists/etc write communications software with no police back door and built-in encryption?
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CCCMTech
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| reply to F walker
Re: Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft!
Actually they're supposed to be making it tap friendly just like phone companies have to do. Police do have to have reasonable cause and/or a search warrant to issue a phone tap though. SO I'm sure the same rules apply to VoIP.
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hpguru
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| reply to justin
Re: Will just hasten the use of encryption
said by justin :
Assuming, of course, the NSA don't have some secret math that make the best public key encryption systems useless no matter what the key length is.
They don't. It worries them too much.
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| Sure Thing.
It is already happening, it will continue to happen, and encryption will NEVER help entirely. You might as well not blow air about the issue, big brother always gets what it want's, what we need to do now is give big brother information that is useless to them.
Better dig out your Capt'n Crunch decoder rings everyone!!!
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gruggni
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Corpus Christi, TX
| FBI packet sniffing
Rewire?
I think what they mean is, replace a switch with a hub. Thus, make it easy to sniff packets. Plug in and start logging.
With the massive amounts of crap passing thru networks these days, I think law enforcement will have a fun time filtering content.
Privacy no longer exists, DB mining killed that.
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join:2000-10-10
Decatur, GA
| and what's next???
The next requirement from the FBI is that every household in the US will be required to leave a door key under the mat at all times, so the FBI can enter your home at any time to make sure you aren't a terrorist.
You will also be required to leave one window in your home partially open at all times. This is to provide backup so that if electronic listening methods fail, they can send an agent to your home to stand outside the open window and listen to your conversations.
All terrorists must submit a schedule of their terrorist activities to the FBI no later than 2 weeks before the planned terror. This will help the FBI make better use of their resources and have enough agents on hand in the location where the terror event will take place. They will notify you within 60 days if your request has been approved or denied.
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL
|  There they go again
It reminds me of my late grandmother, who used to agressively spy on any phone call she could monitor.
Eventually we had to start passing notes and having personal conversations if we didnt want the content of our calls instantly distributed on the GOSSIP network.
If you dont want the suits listening, send a written letter.
There's no way to stop the suits spying if they really want to , There are no electronic tricks that let them screen millions of written letters for keywords, so at least they'll have to pay someone to do it.
Besides, a beautifully handwritten letter, whiffing of Chanel No.5 id infintely more desireable than email. |
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