sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH | bring on the qrm
here comes static on the HF bands. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Haven't heard anything....
I knew that the did a trial in an area close to downtown, but I never heard of the results. It could be great for a lot of people who cannot get coverage out here.
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Stewy85
Premium
join:2003-01-16
Sharon, WI
clubs: | Wow
How come all the BPL is only around the 1mbps? I thought this was supposed to be a lot faster.
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to wentlanc
Re: Haven't heard anything....
I remember reading about this either here (this website) or maybe in a Cincinnati Enquirer article about this test. It was easily a year ago and they had it installed in people's homes, not vapor(hard)ware... |
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Theyll do it
@cox.net | 50 mbps in 2 years cable executives say
Did anybody see that story about 50 mbps in 2 years from cable providers. i know the cable systems are very robust but damn.. i think we are just hit the tip of the ice berg. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to sabersaw
Re: bring on the qrm
Actually, I think they use Homeplug technology, which notches out the ham bands from its transmit spectrum to avoid interference. |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to Stewy85
Re: Wow
"How come all the BPL is only around the 1mbps?"
It's been around 1Mbps for the trail sites (less than 100 users), just wait until they get 1000 users or more. It will drop down below 1Mbps, probably below 500kbps. And just wait for possible ingress from licensed services, it will probably dis-connect altogether. Cheers to a great technology. |
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Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
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Re: bring on the qrm
Alex Pardo of Cinergy said the Internet traffic travels on a separate band wave from the electric current, so there's no interference.
He said the utility has found no problem with radio wave interference, a concern raised by many amateur radio operators.
Lets hope it's true.;)
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to wentlanc
Re: Haven't heard anything....
"It could be great for a lot of people who cannot get coverage out here."
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"Cincinnati intends to offer 1Mbps for $29.95 a month via electrical outlets"
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Cmon can't you read? Cincinnati is a large customer base to deploy in. It would not make financial sense to deploy a technology such as this in a remote area. Your chances of getting this are as good as getting another $1k tax break.
Sure the companies pushing this will tell you that you will get it in the "near future". I wish they would define "near future". It would probably be as good as "it doesn't radiate on open wires". |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to Mactron
Re: bring on the qrm
"He said the utility has found no problem with radio wave interference, a concern raised by many amateur radio operators."
Yeah well I suppose you would believe your used car salesman when he told you that your car did not put out exhaust gasses. Dream on - I won't get into the explanation on this subject anymore except to say that an rf signal introduced to an open wire WILL Radiate. Physics 101. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | So, if it doesn't emit any interference in the HAM and emergency bands then who cares. |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH | wow
This is the first I've heard of this. I need to get my head out from under Cincinnati Bell's rock. |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to yabos
Re: bring on the qrm
Well the ham bands are not the only places in the hf spectrum that are being used. You have the NTIA with hundreds of government/defense frequencies in heavy usage daily, you have FEMA with plenty of hf usage, the airlines transoceanic flight system on hf, what about the regular shortwave bands? Ham radio only takes up aprox. 6% of the 1-30Mhz spectrum. I am happy to hear that they are notching out the ham bands, but they will still have plenty of complaints after wide area deployment. The noise floor will steadily increase with each deployment, and with skipzone more and more into play, it will spell doom. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to Theyll do it
Re: 50 mbps in 2 years cable executives say
IIRC, DOCSIS can already do 45MBps. The limitation with current cable providers isn't a technological one. |
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Paths
join:2004-01-23
Florence, KY
1 edit | Cincy Plugs n....
When I saw this and submitted it I was suprised it existed here in the area. I had heard nothing about it until I read the article.
I for one am happy to see it. I live in NKY and next year it will start to be rolled out there. That will give me 3 choices for Broadband and hopefully competitive pricing.
Cincinnati Bells 3Mb Zoomtown has thus far been a bust for me. Signed up for 3Mb and am lucky to get 1Mb right now. I believe they have plans to install R/D and Residential gateways to extend the higher speeds to more customers but maybe they started touting it early to capitalize on Insight Broadbands speed decreases in Northern Ky. So for me the 1Mb up and down would be on par with The DSL speeds I am getting. But the speeds are no where near the 3+ Mb down I was getting from Insight. To bad they have cut my outbound speed to 15k from the previous 80-100 k I used to enjoy. |
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Lil lost
@rr.com
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This is kind of off topic but how come no companies are not blending technologies to deliver broadband across the last miles? Like a cable company might erect a mini tower that uses satellites rf, or fixed wireless systems to broadcast from its final terrestrial reaching points to extend its deployment areas? I mean I am all for Broadband over powerlines if it can get me broadband (since I am stuck on dial) But since its seeming to piss off the hammies - wouldnt it just be easier to combine some of our existing technologies to solve these kinds of problems vs struggling with trying to develop and deploy new solutions? |
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b_zen
Premium
join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | reply to Paths
Re: Cincy Plugs n....
I guess you're not in the right circles  |
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Beaker74
join:2003-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | Where's the proof?
Not that I'm biased for one way or the other, but would someone, ANYONE, please cite actual interference problems with the rollouts of some of the BPL I've seen reported here in the last few months.
All I hear are "doom and gloom" posts. How come if some of these cities are rolling it out, I'm not hearing about massive RF outages in these areas attributed to BPL systems?
The rollout areas are what now? Ohio and North Carolina? Correct? Anyone from these areas hearing about major RF interference, or is this just Chicken Little saying the sky is falling?
Again, I'm just trying to convey what I've seen as comments to these BPL rollouts, and what I'm not hearing about as the rollouts are being done. I've seen the ARRL website about what they've seen, but I've seen no other source, can someone come through with that? |
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A_Ham
@63.227.x.x | reply to PDXPLT
Re: bring on the qrm
What about all the harmonics of the fundamental frequency? Notching out the ham bands does not necessarily notch out the harmonics. |
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A_Ham
@63.227.x.x | reply to Beaker74
Re: Where's the proof?
Certainly... here's a page with links to a lot of studies done by the ARRL labs.
»www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ |
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