GeminiCub4U
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Livermore, CA | Are they even able to do that?
That isn't legal, is it? |
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Camelot One
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| I was just wondering the same thing. I thought uploading/sharing protected work was a copyright violation, but not downloading.
I know the laws for software are a little different than they are for music, but it seems like I remember something about 24 hour educational evaluations being legal, so long as you delete the material after that time. I remember that from long ago though, can't say for sure it is even true.
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NewLife
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Yes they can do that because of the simple fact that downloading their code is not legal. Its proprietary, copyrighted code that has been illegally leaked to the internet and downloading it is illegal to.
But if I was M$ I would definitely step back and take a look at not only the security of my software but the overall security of my organization. I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
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Camelot One
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| said by NewLife  :
Yes they can do that because of the simple fact that downloading their code is not legal. Its proprietary, copyrighted code that has been illegally leaked to the internet and downloading it is illegal to.
Do you by change have any links to the laws on this? I thought the issue of illegally shared material applied specifically to video's protected under a law written just for that purpose. Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
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Krispy
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said by gnotella_luvr:
I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
Guess it depends on how you look it...it could be argued that it will actually make it safer as more eyes looking for more holes will prompt MS to fix bugs faster.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess. |
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NewLife
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said by Camelot One :
Do you by change have any links to the laws on this? I thought the issue of illegally shared material applied specifically to video's protected under a law written just for that purpose. Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
No I do not have any links concerning this but with the FBI involved looking for who leaked the code and things of that nature I would definitely be thankful that MS is warning users. I bet that somewhere in the great book of laws there is a law that covers this type of thing but its probably buried under alot of dust.
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Take your ball and go the hell home Microcrap. |
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AthlGrond
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Re: Are they even able to do that?
said by Camelot One :
Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
LOL
Good one!
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Jacek
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I don't think so.
First: the message says "aroud the world" which already assumes, that all countries have the same law. That is of course nonsense as DVD Jon already proved. I wouldn't be surprised if North Korea would ignore US copyright.
Second: copryighted doesn't mean secret. Copyrighted means, one cannot use the software without license. I don't think it prevents reading the code. If this would be the case, it would make illegal to read fragments of the book in a bookstore before buying one.
JM |
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GlenQuagmire
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|  Microsoft is Screwed Now
The fact is that once the code is leaked there is nothing they can do to stop it. Look at the RIAA no matter how hard they try they cannot stop P2P file sharing. About the only thing they can do is to write better code.  |
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Gandalf4503
join:2002-06-27
Las Vegas, NV | anyone read that article?
Those comments are hillarious. People that are using Win 2k have all those funny comments embedded in their system. I can only imagine what the XP comments must be  |
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Logan 5
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| reply to NewLife
Re: Are they even able to do that?
said by NewLife :
I mean this leak, no mater how big or little the amount of code, has put all users in jeopardy including the security of our country.
WOW!! I think we have a record here....Only 3 posts in to a discussion about MS's leaked code and we have the first "doomsday" post that we're all gonna die and our Computers get a pox because a majority of the IE6 codebase was leaked. 
People should be far more worried about publically unmentioned O/S exploits that (almost quietly) go 200+ days before being patched than some more examples of leaky code in Internet Exploder. |
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Jason Levine
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said by Camelot One :
I was just wondering the same thing. I thought uploading/sharing protected work was a copyright violation, but not downloading.
Downloading is a copyright violation as well (at least in the USA, YMMV in other countries). It's simply harder to find out whether you've downloaded something you shouldn't (such as a copyrighted music file) versus uploaded something you shouldn't.
said by Camelot One :
I know the laws for software are a little different than they are for music, but it seems like I remember something about 24 hour educational evaluations being legal, so long as you delete the material after that time. I remember that from long ago though, can't say for sure it is even true.
The "24 hour rule" is a myth created by folks attempting to justify downloading music and other items. (You see this all the time on ROM download sites. They all state that you can download it so long as you delete it after 24 hours.) There is no basis to this in law. It falls into the category of "say it often enough and folks will think it's true."
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Jason Levine
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| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :
Using your thinking, downloading music would be a crime, and we all know it isn't.
Downloading music is a crime. It's just a lot harder to prove that you downloaded music than it is to prove that you uploaded music. (And it's next to impossible to tell that you downloaded more than one music file.) That's why the RIAA is going after uploaders. (Plus, if they take out/scare away enough uploaders, there won't be anything for the downloaders to download.)
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Jason Levine
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Re: anyone read that article?
said by Gandalf4503 :
Those comments are hillarious. People that are using Win 2k have all those funny comments embedded in their system. I can only imagine what the XP comments must be
Just to nitpick, I believe that most compilers strip out the comments. Therefore, these comments wouldn't be in your system at all (unless you downloaded the code).
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Gandalf4503
join:2002-06-27
Las Vegas, NV | reply to Gandalf4503
ah that's a shame. learn something new everyday :P |
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tomkb
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Re: Are they even able to do that?
said by Jacek:
I don't think so.
Second: copryighted doesn't mean secret. Copyrighted means, one cannot use the software without license. I don't think it prevents reading the code. If this would be the case, it would make illegal to read fragments of the book in a bookstore before buying one.
JM
That's an interesting way to look at it. |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA | reply to Gandalf4503
Re: anyone read that article?
I never open my mail ENE way Thay all go in the trash. |
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kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to NewLife
Re: Are they even able to do that?
Yes, Yes, Mr. Ashcroft, everything has to do with the security of our country...I'm surprised you didn't blame the leak on terrorists. You're an idiot if you think our country is at risk because Microsoft's corporate security sucks.
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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|  Say What?
It is NOT illegal to conduct specific searches on any p2p network to locate anything. They conveniently bundled the search with the act of downloading the copyrighted material. The warning is stated in such a manner that it appears that the very act of searching for the material is an illegal offense.
They should rephrase this:
"These alerts are designed to inform any user who conducts specific searches on these networks to locate and download the source code that such activity is illegal," |
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